yeah ... you're close to enlightenment .....
Belief in evolution by country - % of population
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yeah ... you're close to enlightenment .....
yeah , sure you do. You write things that are accurate in your dreams - Jem.
Shouting liar at everyone doesn't prove a thing, other than you are obviously frantic and desperate in your childish responses.
...."I said they pointed out evidence of design."
Yes, and you are always trying to make them say things they don't say, but you haven't succeeded.
"They counter the evidence by stating we have almost infinite other universes or regions of space. (regions we can not observe - and must be posited on faith)."
There is no evidence for (intelligent) design to counter.
Just because youâre making pseudo-evidence up in your head for reasons that you want there to be a (intelligent) designer, doesn't mean there is evidence of any.
Infinite other universes or regions of space do not prove nor disprove (intelligent) design any more than would prove or disprove (intelligent) water.
One theoretical physicist you misrepresent in your references says - in his personal opinion - those conditions would NOT make it difficult to counter intelligent design loonies.
The other Nobel Prize physicist has no problem saying he holds no truck with (intelligent) design anyway.
Twist your words? Don't make me laugh.
You have your "top scientists" stating NO to intelligent design and your "top nobel prize winner" saying NO to (intelligent) design and (intelligent) designers, so you think you can twist that to mean the "best minds in science" are saying (intelligent) design is possible.
And you call me a liar!
Go prostrate yourself in front of some graven image or whatever it is you do for forgiveness - ye hypocrite. Look out.. the devil's watching you .
AHHH HA! Not it makes some sense, all that contempt. Sounds like somebody didn't get their prayer(s) answered. Maybe didn't fit in to the clicks that inevitably come about with any large organization. Now you've got a hard on for religion, and of course being of a religious background, you lump God and religion together.
I can understand your disgust with organized religion, but why all the hate for something you can neither prove or disprove? The exisitance of a creator that is.
prayers not answered. why should that bother me. nobody gets prayers answered.
i dont hate a creator. how can you hate something that does not exist? can anybody hate santa clause?
i just have a problem with bible thumpers who proclaim their book of stone age myth are truth. superstitious belief retards the advancement of civilization. look what that thought process has done to you. you actually believe that there is some invisible deity in the sky who long ago said abra kadbra and made the world.
Robert M. Pirsig: When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called Religion.
This argument has literally been raging on and on for 100's, if not thousands of years. As long as people choose to follow and believe what other skilled orators say at face value we will continue to have this type of dynamic.
Lets get something straight here: the bible was written by a human, a potentially biased person, not a deity or an objective entity. Over the course of history, what we've come to call the bible is an edited and re-edited text that has been bastardized by multiple political-religious factions. Its a text that needs to analyzed within a context. That context is a largely illiterate and uneducated populous that thought, among many other ignorant ideas, earthquakes were god's punishment...
Given humanity's history of propaganda and censorship, do any of you theists actually believe that the bible has the exact same content it had thousands of years ago? I hope not because almost all bible scholars admit that the bible is incomplete and flawed due to translation and selective censorship...
Intelligent design, i.e. the creation idea as proposed by the bible as an answer to an age old problem was proposed thousands of years ago by a group of people who didn't understand any of the natural phenomina we understand today.
For anyone to go around proclaiming that the views and studies of those in the dark ages have merit is not appropriate.
Rather than use the belief in god as a prop supporting intelligent design, why not use factual data that actually disproves the randomness we see just about everywhere? Just because you see a pattern doesn't mean that pattern actually exists...
Lets get something straight here: the bible was written by a human, a potentially biased person, not a deity or an objective entity. Over the course of history, what we've come to call the bible is an edited and re-edited text that has been bastardized by multiple political-religious factions. Its a text that needs to analyzed within a context. That context is a largely illiterate and uneducated populous that thought, among many other ignorant ideas, earthquakes were god's punishment...
Given humanity's history of propaganda and censorship, do any of you theists actually believe that the bible has the exact same content it had thousands of years ago? I hope not because almost all bible scholars admit that the bible is incomplete and flawed due to translation and selective censorship...
Intelligent design, i.e. the creation idea as proposed by the bible as an answer to an age old problem was proposed thousands of years ago by a group of people who didn't understand any of the natural phenomina we understand today.
For anyone to go around proclaiming that the views and studies of those in the dark ages have merit is not appropriate.
Rather than use the belief in god as a prop supporting intelligent design, why not use factual data that actually disproves the randomness we see just about everywhere? Just because you see a pattern doesn't mean that pattern actually exists...
I suspect it was a bit more complicated than abra kadbra, but something created all this. And to answer the obvious question of what then created the something that created all this...I don't know, and neither do you. I'd define insanity as someone having absolute certainty about something that cannot be proven or disproven, and that's where were at right now. Somewhere down the road, maybe. Right now it's anybody's guess, and your method of guessing is no better than anyone else's, regardless of how many PHD's you can line up.
start by using your brain instead of indoctrination inherited from your childhood. have you or any one else ever found any evidence that points to a supernatural cause?
without the religious texts only children could concieve of stories told in the bible.
"agnosticism is a cop out. You conceding that you are not competent enough to make a rational analysis based on fact. There is no absolute certainty in this world, yet it is safe to make general assumptions based on proven facts. I know there is no big foot, I know there are no wizards and witches or god, because I put my trust in the concept of verifiable evidence"
General assumptions based on proven facts? What facts are those? The fact that the universe exists? The fact that evolution is real? Someone could use those very same things as evidence of a creator. You can dispute that claim, but you cannot prove it wrong. I cannot prove you wrong. It is fact that neither side of the agrument has indisputable evidence to prove their theory correct. You are as steadfast in your claims as those that proclaim creationism. Pot, meet kettle.
They could, but most thinking scientists don't. It has often been said by any number of leading scientific thinkers that, while a creator may exist, one is not necessary. Therefore, why assume that something unseen or unknow exists if the leading edge interpretation of evidence suggests that it need not exist? Until more evidence of such existence or better scientific interpretation presents itself, why assume the superfluous? You can pat your head three times before entering a trade if it pleases you, but there is currently no evidence to suggest that doing so will affect where the market will go once you are in.