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Partial & helpful Quote from Aapex:
This is exactly what I'm talking about. People misquoting the text to suite their own means. The South used the Old Testament incorrectly. They to did not have a thorough understanding of ancient customs. In order to interpret the Bible one needs to know about the text and the ancient times that the Bible speaks about.
Since you have admitted that you don't know enough about ancient Biblical customs you would do well not to quote from the Old Testament until you fully understand it.
Why God's law in the OT seems to be so complicated and sometimes looks "ridiculous" from the our modern point of view ?
The demands of God's law have not changed, even a little. He still demands modern people perfect obedience to His law. Jesus coming did not change God's demands. Instead, Jesus fulfilled all of God's demands in His own person. He was the only human being to ever have perfectly, sinlessly fulfilled God's covenant. Because of this He is a perfect Savior. The blood sacrifices of bulls and goats in the OT were necessary to show how awful sin was to the Israelites. This demand has not disappeared. But those sacrifices only pointed forward to the true once for all perfect and sufficient sacrifice in Jesus. They had no saving power in themselves. But know this!!! God still demands the entire law be kept even now for all persons. Unbelievers must keep the whole law if they have any hope to be saved. But of course, such a demand is beyond the possibility of any man ... it is an impossible supposition because we are bent on rebellion ... and this is God's purpose in the Law, so that we might be conscious of sin (Rom 3:19, 20) and so that He might show mercy to us (ROM 11:32). Christ met the laws demands and so those who are in Him, who are united to Him by the Spirit, are accepted by God AS IF they themselves had fully kept the law. He counts us righteous in Christ because He obeyed all of those "ridiculous" laws. His life of perfect obedience to the law and His death which He was a lamb without blemish, were given for us, in our place. Otherwise we would be judged and receive the resurrection of the unrighteous.
Regarding slavery, Exodus 21:16 says
"He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death."
Deuteronomy 24:7 likewise says,
"If a man is caught kidnapping any of his countrymen of the sons of Israel, and he deals with him violently or sells him, then that thief shall die; so you shall purge the evil from among you."
In other words, slavery was not the same thing as the kind we saw in 19th century America where people went to Africa, kidnapped people and brought them home to sell them to the highest bidder. Such would be a capital crime in the OT, according to these passages. Instead, persons who were slaves were either paying off a debt, or persons who attacked Israel and captured in battle. You may have some problems with this but it is not the type of slavery we usually think of today.
Also, regarding polygamy, you may want to differentiate between what someone does and what God's law is. God nowhere gives us a law saying that polygamy is His will. But we do find some persons, even some godly, who engage in this practice. David was said to be a man after God's own heart (1 Sam. 13:14; Acts 13:22), but he did a variety of things that were not according to God's heart, i.e. he murdered Uriah the Hittite after committing adultery with his wife Bathsheba (2 Sam. 11:27).
That he practiced polygamy does not make it God's perfect will. Jesus points out that from the beginning (Genesis) that one man and one woman would become one flesh and so adultery was always wrong (Matthew 19:1-9). Therefore even the OT itself does not hold up polygamy as the ideal. While the law may have permitted polygamy in their weakness, but Genesis reveals this was not the ideal toward which the people were to set their faces toward. The ideal was the model of creation: one man and one woman in a monogamous relationship.
God is not obligated to wait another second before executing His wrath. [/QUOTE]
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Good quotes, helpful thread.
Actually you dont have to have a Strongs scientific study concordance which has ALL the Hebrew -English words keyed to numbers
,to understand the Holy Bible, but it helps
Scientific study of scripture or markets can help;
small sample usually does not help, in scripture or markets .
Disagree with the idea that wicked black muslims/white south & north slaveholders were the same as Hebrew servant [slave ]masters.
[New American Standard uses the word ''slave'' for servant]
Exodus 21;6 says'' And if the servant [ slave] shall plainly say ,
I love my master, my wife, I will not go free''...King James Version.
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So the Hebrew servnat was given afterwards,
the 7 year option ,
of working for the hebrew master or not according to hebrew servant's choice, LORD's word, says in same chapter.[ Exodus 21;1,2]
And the bottom line =Israel & the Church are an example for us;
having the privilege of doing business with Hebrews-Christians,
''I love '' it.
If 11 out of 12 are good;
dont worry about the ratio of 1 crook out of 12 or 13 people of excellence.
kjkent1