Beginner help: Call Options

90% of it's value is gone, so at this point, I might as well roll the dice and hold it? (I know I hear myself saying the words)

The rigger may conduct another promo and in this market, it might succeed. If the rigger does attempt another pump and it succeeds it might bail you out. But your description as "rolling the dice" is apt.
 
Bear in mind that Calls are automatically self-hedged because the whole purpose of buying calls is to limit your losses to the amount you pay for those calls, for example $1k worth of calls at $0.50 may allow you to bet on 2000 shares of stock without buying those shares and risking much more.

You’re just using calls as if they were shares, thus making decision to not be hedged. This cannot be undone.
 
I mean, I don't want to sound like I'm a complete reckless fool, my trading account is much larger than this position so this is a relatively small position but I completely understand how risky it was and I've learned from it.

90% of it's value is gone, so at this point, I might as well roll the dice and hold it? (I know I hear myself saying the words)

I would like to learn how to enter a position like this one with downside protection. I'm not quite certain how to derisk a Buy Call, perhaps with a spread between a Buy / Sell call?

Vertical call spreads are going to de-risk such a position. But also really limit your upside.
 
You have invested $29,000 in options on a penny stock, and the company whose business underlies that stock is a likely fraud.

One of my favorite follows on twitter is Hindenberg Research. The reason I am responding to you is that a little over an hour ago Hindenberg reiterated its research findings.

https://hindenburgresearch.com/ideanomics/



I post this because you are getting some questionable advice here, in my opinion.

The stock is a pump and dump scheme (scam). You made a bet that the pumpers would keep pumping before they started dumping. Unfortunately the stock will probably be trading for less per share than you paid for the options.

The $4 July 17c are $0.10 bid (an 80% loss of your capital) by $0.15 offer.

I wish I could help you, but there is nothing I could suggest other than not to take $29,000 positions in lottos.
https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/06/26/why-ideanomics-stock-is-getting-absolutely-demolis.aspx

I would exit my position if I were you.
 
90% of it's value is gone, so at this point, I might as well roll the dice and hold it? (I know I hear myself saying the words)
Newbie thinking. Now you are gambling and not trading, just like the GE calls I bought a while back that became worthless.
 
Newbie thinking. Now you are gambling and not trading, just like the GE calls I bought a while back that became worthless.


No it is not Newbie thinking.

  • Due to the volatility of options maximum loss on long option trades should 100%.
  • What is down 90% can go up 1000%.
  • No reason to lock in a 90% loss.
 
Good morning - I'm new here! I hope this is the right forum to ask for help.

I bought 600 Call Options expiring Jul 17 for $0.50 ($29,000) they are currently trading for $0.30

The stock is hovering around $1.9 to $2.10 but could dip further or rise rapidly - god knows.

Any thoughts on how I can box in / limit my losses (or profits?)

I've been playing with my IBKR scenario builder but it shows that all my scenarios have infinite losses... So I'm not doing it right.

Thanks!

Ok your call options' losses is limited already; it's only going to be your purchase price which is $600*100*0.5= $30,000 (I dunno how you get $29,000) assuming you are going to hold it until expiration and it's going to expire worthless otherwise there is always a chance that the underlying stock will go up and you will be able to make some money. If you really feel that there will be no chance that the stock will go up, then you should sell it now at 0.30 and at least your loss will only be (0.3-0.5) X 600*100 = $-12000 otherwise you are going to lose out on price and time decay even if the underlying is gaining value.

The only few things that you can do to potentially "limit your losses". One is to buy puts so if the underlying goes down in value, you can potentially earn some profit but this combo would only work if the underlying's price moves a lot either way, i.e. has high volatility otherwise you are still going to lose money and even more money potentially but not infinite losses though. Another is to try to short the shares when the share price is higher than the strike on your call options if you really believe that the shares will go down in value in time, then this might be worth the shot. When worse comes to worst, you can always stop out on the shares and cash out on the call option. Again, not a guarantee of success but will not result in infinite losses either.

Not sure what kind of scenarios you have tried in the IB software that resulted in infinite losses...
 

Since the Calls are/were trading a 0.1, I’ve been waiting for the odd spike to 0.2 and slowly reducing my position.

that article references Hindenburg, I’m familiar with his practices. He is in numerous lawsuits for fraud and defamation (doesn’t mean he’s wrong) but it’s a tactic he has used successfully to short positions.
 
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