becoming your own broker dealer

[Don Bright]

Quote from nyxtrader:

I will thanks, as I know quite a few people that work there too. However, I believe we are talking about prop trading.

And these people that trade 10M per day...what is their role there?

All I can speak to directly is from Goldman. They do have people who execute a lot of shares each day, following certain quant rules and "semi-algo" type trades. Very rare to see a discretionary trader trade that much, but since they cut the staff so much (primarily do to advanced technology), they do have people "executing" some big numbers, but not discretionary type. Can't speak for other firms.

20 million per month is about where our very volume traders seem to end up, and not many at that level. A number in the 5-10mil range. Most around 1 million or so. l

FWIW,

Don

 

[nyxtrader]

Quote from Don Bright:

I was speaking with someone yesterday about automated trading. He stated.."someday it will be computer vs computer for ticks" I really agree with this. What is your take?

All I can speak to directly is from Goldman. They do have people who execute a lot of shares each day, following certain quant rules and "semi-algo" type trades. Very rare to see a discretionary trader trade that much, but since they cut the staff so much (primarily do to advanced technology), they do have people "executing" some big numbers, but not discretionary type. Can't speak for other firms.

20 million per month is about where our very volume traders seem to end up, and not many at that level. A number in the 5-10mil range. Most around 1 million or so. l

FWIW,

Don

 

[TM_Direct]

Quote from nitro:

Don is married to Goldman Sachs, who is exuberantly expensive.

No one in their right mind that runs a high frequency operation would clear GS. Don is losing lots of potential traders to firms that are catering to the automated trader.

In two years, when he is being squeezed and few if any traders sign up to trade at Bright, he may finally shop his rates with the myriad of other firms that could clear his trades. He will then have GS lower his rates when he threatens to leave, and he will notice that even those rates are uncompetitive.

You can lead a horse to water...


nitro

Nitro...whil you have valid points remember this, i have said it before on thsi site and in articles:

WHAT GOLDMAN WANTS......GOLDMAN GETS


Most of the other clearing firms you speak of are being squeezed out by regulation and buyouts...the clearing field is shrinking,,,for instance: DTC is owned by whom???? While the NASD approves firms to self clear and clear for tohers...DTC is separate and may or may not give approval.....the last tow firms approved for corresponden clearing wer years ago....in 2000 there were 45+ correspondent clearing firms...today there are 18-21.....

Goldman got rid of the pesky floor traders buy merging ARCA and NYSE..they got rid of the one firm one vote rule and did away with NASD..they have their people running the exchanges and the treasury and they can flick off penson, sws an wedd like an annoying fly anytime they desire.....trust me...i tried to fight them and got my ass kicked sort of speak

No rule change ever gets passed without goldmans prior approval....and many scratch their head and say " why would firms be for that"??? becuase it will ultimately eliminate competition....so you can lead a horse to water....but Goldman owns the pond.

 

[brandon12]

one thing i did forget to mention which on don's behalf could be very important . since bright has 10-30 million of there own money up i would suspect safety of funds ranks at the top of the list for a reason clearing with gs. but again thats for brights advantage and not the huge vol trader

 

[TM_Direct]

Quote from brandon12:

one thing i did forget to mention which on don's behalf could be very important . since bright has 10-30 million of there own money up i would suspect safety of funds ranks at the top of the list for a reason clearing with gs. but again thats for brights advantage and not the huge vol trader

...also, only exchange members can give JBO leverage...

 

[Don Bright]

Quote from brandon12:

one thing i did forget to mention which on don's behalf could be very important . since bright has 10-30 million of there own money up i would suspect safety of funds ranks at the top of the list for a reason clearing with gs. but again thats for brights advantage and not the huge vol trader

Since we've been expanding the last couple of years (no "Fat jokes" LOL), we have had to put up much more than that to keep all the traders with the capital they need to use, just FYI. And, yes, the funds are safe.

And, yes, the .001% who "may" trade that 10million per day, scalping, there are beter places to be, as I've said before.

Don

 

[Don Bright]

Just a comment.

This has been a good discussion overall. I have spoken with (at least) 3 or more of you on the phone. Simply different approaches to the overall trading business. No "winners" or "losers" in the thread. Some explanation, some clarification, and some changes.

To address the thread starter, I hope the discussion(s) have helped!

All the best everyone.

Don

 

[TM_Direct]

Wow....Have you noticed talking about commissions is kind of like talking about who should pay the brunt of the taxes in the USA??? The rich pay a greater share but they can afford more yadee ydaee ydadee

BTW:

The answer to my question which nobody touched was stockloan...huge money in that....and new clearing firms ( especially self clearing firms) have very little inventory to borrow from internally....so they have to go to GS or Bear and pay an avg of abot 18% to borrow...

Tradestation had this trouble...they cleared Bear and had a huge inventory behind them for shorts....then they went self clearing and POOF...no inventory and now they have to borrow..

thats it for today kids....


On Monday we will start discussing how firms reserve for your account by borrowing and how firms use your stock in margin to make 10-18% returns.

(not kidding about that either)

enjoy your weekend....Im going to the beach

 

[javs5150]

Quote from taclander:

As a side note, if you want some somewhat easy business, if you are not a women or minority find one to be a partner. Quite a few state investment boards, pension funds, etc are required by law to give out some of there business to minorities or women based firms.

How does one find these sources?

 

[TM_Direct]

Quote from javs5150:

How does one find these sources?

You are a dollar short and five years late to the game....but hey ...go for it ...

The plan gave tax breaks to large institutions ( Merrill, Goldman Mutual funds ect..) for doing minority business...the problem was....they didn't exactly 'define' minority...it was meant to help blacks and women in the securities industry....but All i saw was Asian brokerage owners getting sweeeeeet deals for order flow...I had one goup that was 1/3 rd asian owned...they made a deal for order flow with a larger inst. group that bought and sold stocks for a large mutual fund....they got about 3 cents per share on every stock traded!!!....they would put 100-500k share orders through every couple of days....AHHHhhh the good ol days