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Here is evidence which satisfies almost every scholar of ancient times the the world over and throughout history.

Only the moon is made of cheese zealouts argue with the historicity of Jesus.


Arguing there is no evidence is fraudulent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_jesus

Contents
1 New Testament writings
1.1 Pauline Epistles
1.2 Gospels
1.3 The Acts of the Apostles
2 Ancient Christian creeds
2.1 Biblical
2.2 Extra-biblical
3 New Testament apocrypha
3.1 Gnostic texts
4 Early Church fathers
5 Greco-Roman sources
5.1 Josephus
5.2 Pliny the Younger
5.3 Tacitus
5.4 Suetonius
5.5 Mara bar Sarapion
5.6 Others
6 Jewish records
 
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Here is evidence which satisfies almost every scholar of ancient times the the world over and throughout history.

Only the moon is made of cheese zealouts argue with the historicity of Jesus.


Arguing there is no evidence is fraudulent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_jesus

Contents
1 New Testament writings
1.1 Pauline Epistles
1.2 Gospels
1.3 The Acts of the Apostles
2 Ancient Christian creeds
2.1 Biblical
2.2 Extra-biblical
3 New Testament apocrypha
3.1 Gnostic texts
4 Early Church fathers
5 Greco-Roman sources
5.1 Josephus
5.2 Pliny the Younger
5.3 Tacitus
5.4 Suetonius
5.5 Mara bar Sarapion
5.6 Others
6 Jewish records
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Non of those are historical evidence of Jesus's existence.

Contents
1 <strike>New Testament writings</strike>
1.1<strike> Pauline Epistles</strike>
1.2 <strike>Gospels</strike>
1.3 <strike>The Acts of the Apostles</strike>
2 <strike>Ancient Christian creeds</strike>
2.1<strike> Biblical</strike>
2.2<strike> Extra-biblical</strike>
3 <strike>New Testament apocrypha</strike>
3.1 <strike>Gnostic texts</strike>

Sherlock Holmes stories are not historical evidence that Dr Watson existed, The Bible is not historical evidence that Jesus existed.

4<strike> Early Church fathers</strike>
5<strike> Greco-Roman sources</strike>

Authors and readers telling themselves and insisting to others that their stories aren't fictional, does not mean their stories aren't fictional.

5.1 <strike>Josephus</strike>
5.2<strike>Pliny the Younger</strike>
5.3 <strike>Tacitus</strike>
5.4<strike>Suetonius</strike>
5.5<strike>Mara bar Sarapion</strike>


At best all are uncorroborated hearsay. No supporting evidence. Nothing intrinsically capable of making Jesus a historical figure.

Non were alive at the supposed time of Jesus. Unlike Jesus, they are themselves able to be verified as historical .

There is no record of any kind , anywhere, supporting an historical Jesus. All mentioned are usually from christian apologists , either immaterial, dubious , disputed or doubted as historical evidence by various christian historians and scholars for various and obvious reasons.

There is no independent separate confirmation or providence whatsoever for a historical Jesus, essential to confirm any historicity for anything or anyone.

5.6 Others
LOL, "Others". What.... you mean Hooters Weekly or something?

6 <strike>Jewish records</strike>

You (or rather a cut&paste from Wiki christian apologist page ...) must be joking. There are no Jewish records or any other records that make Jesus historical.


Jesus is fictional. There is nothing anywhere to establish Jesus actually ever existed .
 
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You state your opposition to absolutes - but your argument is states AS an absolute.
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My argument does no such thing. You keep making the charge, but never logically substantiate it.
Just because YOU keep asking me if I'm absolutely certain, does not mean absolutes are necessary or pertinent.

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Are you certain he was fictional? Absolutely? Or not?
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See?...There YOU go, demanding absolutes yet again.
If I told you I was absolutely certain, would you be absolutely certain I could not be ?

There really is no need to divert into separate philosophical self-contradicting conundrums about absolutes. Unless you are muddled about this, or are purposely trying to cloud the water.

In regards to being fictional, all the facts point towards Jesus having the same basic fictional characteristics as Batman.

Both Jesus and Batman have all the characteristics of being fictional characters.
Due to a total lack of any confirming historical evidence that Jesus or Batman ever existed, they are both fictional. That much is certain enough.
 
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Due to a total lack of any confirming historical evidence that Jesus or Batman ever existed, they are both fictional. That much is certain enough.
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"they are both fictional. That much is certain enough."

So you are certain.

That certainty is an absolute. You are All-Knowing on the topics.

That is a big claim.
 
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"they are both fictional. That much is certain enough."

So you are certain.

That certainty is an absolute. You are All-Knowing on the topics.

That is a big claim.
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Are you certain it is an absolute?

In your world maybe certainty can only be an absolute but your playing verbal gymnastics won't change the fact, whether I am or you are certain of it or not.

You honestly telling me Batman might not be non fictional just so you can imagine Jesus might not be too?
 
Entity X does not exist because there is no evidence that X exists.

So, before we began detecting extrasolar planets, did they exist?
 
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Entity X does not exist because there is no evidence that X exists.

So, before we began detecting extrasolar planets, did they exist?
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does santa claus exist? how about harry potter? there is lots of evidence for harry potter. they are written about in many books and millions of children will testify to their existence.
 
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does santa claus exist? how about harry potter? there is lots of evidence for harry potter. they are written about in many books and millions of children will testify to their existence.
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Their existence seems highly improbable, but I will not go so far as to say they absolutely cannot exist. On what would I base my certainty, feelings?
 
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Their existence seems highly improbable, but I will not go so far as to say they absolutely cannot exist. On what would I base my certainty, feelings?
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how about using your intellectual ability to research the history of their beginnings? from that you can make a judgement of their existence.
absolute agnosticism is a cop out. You are conceding that you are not competent enough to make a rational analysis based on fact. There is no absolute certainty in this world, yet it is safe to make general assumptions based on proven facts. I know there is no big foot, I know there are no wizards and witches or god, because I put my trust in the concept of verifiable evidence.
 
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how about using your intellectual ability to research the history of their beginnings? from that you can make a judgement of their existence.
absolute agnosticism is a cop out. You are conceding that you are not competent enough to make a rational analysis based on fact. There is no absolute certainty in this world, yet it is safe to make general assumptions based on proven facts. I know there is no big foot, I know there are no wizards and witches or god, because I put my trust in the concept of verifiable evidence.
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Absolute agnosticism is a product of studying history. Many things which were certain later proved false. Only teenagers need to be cocksure.

I'm ok with highly improbable, I can still build stuff that works (between its MTBFR, that is. : ) )
 
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