Beating the Market with Money managment

220volt,
you really should buy Van Tharp's book to understand why this is a bad idea.
As mentioned this isnt risk management at all. You are ignoring the losing streak, where the distribution with a tight stop will be like -1%, -1%, -1%, -1%, -1%.
Then to get your 3% a month you have to take on more risk, then it spirals.
 
Keep a log and over time see what averaging up or down has resulted in. Don't forget those that turn into long holds that you lose interest and margin interest on.

I've won with averaging on a losing position and I have lost more often than not. Looking through the trade log journal, the odds are against averaging and I've used that as a lesson. Time will tell.
 
Quote from 220volt:

I just wanted to add aboput Averaging Down. Not really a MM but it is its close cousin.

Averaging down to me seems like a good idea for indexes or overall market since they will recover sooner or later, but not for individual stocks.
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Try averaging down on the Nikkei from 1990 to current. Hint: it didn't recover.
 
Quote from ecritt:

Try averaging down on the Nikkei from 1990 to current. Hint: it didn't recover.
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Averaging down is dumb however pyramiding is very clever since it changes your approach to risk. It goes like, if your optimal position size is $1000 then instead of entering a $1000 trade each time, start off with one fifth or so size and then add to it until it reaches $1000. You're actually averaging down or up your entry price, but, above all, this will allow to soften your equity curve and thus reduce drawdown.

In my opinion, money management is in fact the most important aspect of successful long term trading. I have a thread on this, which includes a trading simulation based on random trading signals and solid money management, to illustrate this point. In case anyone is interested, here is the link:

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&thread=81984
 
wow, some real bad advice here, haha. The tyro's are out in full force with their bad advice. If advice is followed please have a tourniquet handy!
 
To start off ; the title of the thread is
WRONG.


You don't beat the market with MM but
with a strategy that has an edge that
produces positive results.

If you have a strategy, you gonna apply
MM in function of the risk/reward figures
of your strategy; the better the risk/reward numbers, the more agressive
your MM (aka how much to risk an any
one trade) may be.

MM is VERY important, even with a good
strategy you can lose if you risk too
much.

Read Van Tharp's book on this issue.
 
Quote from Nattdog:

wow, some real bad advice here, haha. The tyro's are out in full force with their bad advice. If advice is followed please have a tourniquet handy!
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Perhaps you could enlight us with some wisdom or debate the supposed bad advice.
 
Quote from ecritt:

Try averaging down on the Nikkei from 1990 to current. Hint: it didn't recover.
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the question is, did it "bounce" enough at any point to turn a loser into a break even/ winner? not that it didn't recover. markets simply do not move in a straight line in any direction--
 
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