Bear market is here?? (worst than 87 crash)

Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

Nice post Wags. I don't know shit about finance. An S&P chart to me is no different than Bonds or Soybeans. My shorts off the highs were PURELY technical.

BTW: I sold ZN today before GDP and their reluctance to catch a bid off the weakness in stocks tells me the "flight to quality" trade isn't going to take yields much lower.

Thanks Pabst.
Yes, I noticed the exact same thing withthe ZN and its less than dramatic reaction.
 
Quote from fundjunkie:

You use conjecture (the market is trading technically, according to the rules of technical analysis, whatever they may be) to refute conjecture (fitting a fundamental backdrop to a couple of days price action).

I would suggest that neither you or the newsreaders are correct. However, i would be very gratefully if you could tell us what the rules of tchical analysis are. Your posts seems to imply that they exist, can be quantified and can be followed. Many think differently and act accordingly.

You sound a lot like that moron that goes by the name of Rcanfiel . . . If you are not, then I apologize.

The bottomline is that anyone that has ever traded for a living from the floor of a commodity pit KNOWS how markets react when they catch a strong "bid" and make new highs . . . they ACCELERATE!!!

This market not only failed to accelerate, it showed horrible breadth AND it proceeded to come back in below the 1540 SPX level . . . breaking 1530.80 and 1506.10 being a tremendous reflection that the uptrend was in serious question.

Price is TA.
Mr. Canfiel unfortunately could not get that into his thick skull.
 
Quote from myminitrading:

Why don't you start a thread and post your thoughts on what you like to study, If I'm not mistaken you like Elliott Wave theory.

I am guilty of alot of silly chatter here on this forum, I have made a decision to stop. I have noticed over the last 6 months a flood of new ET members, along with that a lot of meaning less chatter.

I did start a thread back on July 9th that used Elliott Wave to come up with a projected target of the end of this 5-wave advance at 1559.09 SPX. As you all know, we got within 3.19 points of that with a print high of 1555.90

I stopped posting on the thread on Friday, July 20th because no one was really following/understanding it, as well as the unfortunate fact that the thread had also attracted some goofballs by the names of Rcanfiel and the kid that has been calling for "intermediate" tops ever since 1150 on the SPX, who goes by 16 aliases . . . from James Stock to RubberBird, to Ghostzapper.

In my final post, I stated that the market needed to close back above 1540 (a week ago Friday). When it did not, I knew that the bull was in trouble.

And believe it or not, TRADING to me is more important than posting on ET. There's really no need to invest a lot of time and effort educating others when all they come to ET for is to "piss" all over everyone and beat their chests like Tarzan.

Not my game.
 
Quote from Trader KGB:

Attached is a chart of USD/JPY directly after the 4pm equity close today. This is what concerns me that I mentioned in my first post.

The other carry pairs fell in concert as well after being down heavily all day, but USD/JPY had been holding its own for most of the day, up 14 ticks at the 4pm close (reflective of the USD rally).

The very second the US equity markets closed, a significant market participant(s) unwound a very substantial amount of carry trades. They could have done this all day long and not moved the market as much (after all, european and asian traders are long since gone at 4pm). What was their motive for intently waiting until after the 4pm close to drop the market?

This could just be a fluke, but the tin foil hat in me says this is a red herring. I didn't have my ES chart open at the time, does anyone know how it did after the close?


The spooz were down another 8 points after the cash market closed.
 
Quote from Trader KGB:

Call me crazy, but I interpreted today's final hour selloff as on ominous sign that there is a LOT more damage left to be done.

That late panicky action is possibly a big hint. My guess is we're going to see lights on in many Wall St offices all weekend, with those who are leveraged up on both ends trying to figure a way out of the relentless damage still to come. Thoughts or opinions?

There are tons of funds that trade off of mechanical systems. The close that you saw in the last 30 minutes of trading in the S&P is pretty reflective of a marketplace that is aware of this fact, AND that such a WEEKLY close would generate a lot of sell orders come Monday morning.

Moreover, who wants to be carrying inventory over the weekend with Asian and Europe open Sunday night?

Not the specialists.
Not any market-makers that I know of.
Not any trading desks using their own proprietary money.

It doesn't take much to cause the kind of price action that we saw in the final 30 minutes of Friday's trading session. It's called . . . NO BIDS.
 
Quote from Landis82:

I believe that YOU were the gentleman that was "cheerleading" this market to higher targets, and were doing so without any technical analysis basis whatsoever.

Let's face it.
There are maybe a handful of "technicians" that post on ET, and most of them don't even bother doing anything more than "lurk" here because of all of the rookies and noobs who think that T/A is an ADX chart with a slow stochastic oscillator thrown in.

:D


and your elliot wave garbage qualifies as 'real' TA?


its all BS ... ie natural gas goes up in September (if EW is done by your estimation) only because Aug is off the charts, and market mechanics determine that game.
 
Quote from Landis82:

There are tons of funds that trade off of mechanical systems. The close that you saw in the last 30 minutes of trading in the S&P is pretty reflective of a marketplace that is aware of this fact, AND that such a WEEKLY close would generate a lot of sell orders come Monday morning.

Moreover, who wants to be carrying inventory over the weekend with Asian and Europe open Sunday night?

Not the specialists.
Not any market-makers that I know of.
Not any trading desks using their own proprietary money.

It doesn't take much to cause the kind of price action that we saw in the final 30 minutes of Friday's trading session. It's called . . . NO BIDS.

Ever heard of stop running? everyone had tight stops around here, because we all universally accept support around 1460 cash on the ES. Watch the big money run the stops the other way on Monday or Tuesday with all new 'TA shorts' that entered the market on end of Friday.
 
Quote from scriabinop23:

....any idea if these BBB abx's are -actually- secured?

Given the details outed over the past few months about how much - ah - creativity was in this market the only reasonable answer is "who the fuck knows?".

I do agree with you, by the way, that someone(s) will make a killing picking up the pieces. What is difficult to know is whether that happens at 65 or 45 or 25. It will require someone willing and able to hold for a fair length of time though...
 
Quote from blackchip:

The chart from '87 does look a little familiar though.

Pull up a weekly from '05 and compare.

http://www.lowrisk.com/crash/crashcharts.htm

Maybe sell the bounce here.

Whadda you think?

My plan is to unwind my calls when it bounces which I think it will. Might open red Sunday night then bounce during European opening.

But quite frankly, I'm just waiting for opportunity to unwind my calls and go cash all the way and scalp this market instead with 3 minute tick charts.
 
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