Be honest American Catholics

jem · Oct 8, 2012

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no.

Some "Birth Control" kills human beings.

My personally view is the the Catholic Church should say condoms and other non abortions causing (non abortifacients) birth control should be fine for non Catholics... but don't make people who do not believe in such things pay for them.

In fact why the hell should the govt be forcing anyone to pay for this private stuff. This is really objectionable because of the govt is imposing its will on a faith based institutions and their people. Its violates American principles and the Constitution.

Luckily this issue may be coming up before Supreme Ct again.

This is an Obamanation of the Constitution.

Free Thinker · Oct 8, 2012

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Some "Birth Control" kills human beings.

that is where knowledge should be of more value that superstition. through knowledge we know that up to 50% of fertilized eggs abort naturally before birth. how is the system designed by god(as the religious believe it was)any different than birth control we have designed?

It is estimated that up to half of all fertilized eggs die and are lost (aborted) spontaneously, usually before the woman knows she is pregnant. Among those women who know they are pregnant, the miscarriage rate is about 15-20%. Most miscarriages occur during the first 7 weeks of pregnancy. The rate of miscarriage drops after the baby's heart beat is detected.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001488.htm

peilthetraveler · Oct 8, 2012

Its funny that 100% of people that are for abortion have already been born.

jem · Oct 9, 2012

Whether human beings should be killing other human beings is the issue.
Its odd liberals find it important to protect animals but not human beings and then act like they are pro human rights.

Its not odd to me for people who believe in a Creator to align with the idea that we need to let nature take its course.

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that is where knowledge should be of more value that superstition. through knowledge we know that up to 50% of fertilized eggs abort naturally before birth. how is the system designed by god(as the religious believe it was)any different than birth control we have designed?

It is estimated that up to half of all fertilized eggs die and are lost (aborted) spontaneously, usually before the woman knows she is pregnant. Among those women who know they are pregnant, the miscarriage rate is about 15-20%. Most miscarriages occur during the first 7 weeks of pregnancy. The rate of miscarriage drops after the baby's heart beat is detected.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001488.htm

Free Thinker · Oct 9, 2012

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Whether human beings should be killing other human beings is the issue.

so you ,based on your fear of an invisible man in the sky,would rather ban birth control and be the cause of 500000 abortions a year?

jem · Oct 9, 2012

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so you ,based on your fear of an invisible man in the sky,would rather ban birth control and be the cause of 500000 abortions a year?

do I need to explain to you again...
that the pill and other some other forms of birth control do sometimes result in the killing of human beings.

As much as a rabid leftist that you are... you must understand murder is wrong. You must understand that homicide can be wrong. You must therefore understand that Obama and the govt forcing someone else to provide drugs which cause the killing of human beings... is patently unamerican and probably unconstitutional and therefore very wrong.

Free Thinker · Oct 9, 2012

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do I need to explain to you again...
that the pill and other some other forms of birth control do sometimes result in the killing of human beings.

As much as a rabid leftist that you are... you must understand murder is wrong. You must understand that homicide can be wrong. You must therefore understand that Obama and the govt forcing someone else to provide drugs which cause the killing of human beings... is patently unamerican and probably unconstitutional and therefore very wrong.

a thinking person who was really concerned about abortion might come to the conclusion that instantly eliminating 500k abortions a year would be a good thing.
people like you are the cause of half the abortions in america according to the data we have. does it bother you when it would be so easy to stop it?

âIf I am right, then [religious fundamentalists] will not go to Heaven, because there is no Heaven. If THEY are right, then they will not go to Heaven, because they are hypocrites.â--Isaac Asimov.

trendlover · Oct 9, 2012

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You must therefore understand that Obama and the govt forcing someone else to provide drugs which cause the killing of human beings... is patently unamerican and probably unconstitutional and therefore very wrong. [/B]

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Jem, Obama is saying birth control is choice. No government "forcing" people to take birth control pills. What Obama want is for insurance to pay for people that is choosing "birth control" If you are catholic and you are not agree with birth control pill or any birth control, you are free to have no birth control. Why do some religions want to stop other people to have choice?

nutmeg · Oct 9, 2012

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Jem, Obama is saying birth control is choice. No government "forcing" people to take birth control pills. What Obama want is for insurance to pay for people that is choosing "birth control" If you are catholic and you are not agree with birth control pill or any birth control, you are free to have no birth control. Why do some religions want to stop other people to have choice?

Well you cleared this issue up for me. Similiar to most gov't policies. We are not asking you to fly a plane and drop a bomb on the enemy, we just want you to pay for the bomb. So yes, you have a choice, you can fly a plane and drop a bomb on the enemy or someone else can fly a plane and drop a bomb as long as you pay.

trendlover · Oct 12, 2012

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Well you cleared this issue up for me. Similiar to most gov't policies. We are not asking you to fly a plane and drop a bomb on the enemy, we just want you to pay for the bomb. So yes, you have a choice, you can fly a plane and drop a bomb on the enemy or someone else can fly a plane and drop a bomb as long as you pay.

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What? There is no bomb and is no enemy. I am talking about people. Most people want to have sex. And you know in the USA catholics are not all virgins before they are married.

You know that nutmeg. Are you virgin before you marry? Is your son and daughters? So what is wrong to have insurance company pay for birth control if the person (choose) to have birth control?
Nutmeg, smoking cigarette is cost insurance so much money for all the health problems. So you can say the people that do not smoke paying for people who smoke. Is this ok?