BE DO HAVE and Jack Hershey vs Objective Reality

Hey Testy McTest, I wouldnt doubt one bit that your "testing" results did not work at all. This method is far too complex to code correctly BUT as a human being trading the method and understanding things down cold, well....thats a whole new ballgame. Give it a try for yourself, commit some time and energy and do it MANUALLY.


Quote from Trader666:

No, the gotcha's on you!

Because in Jack's "tomorrow's paper today" there's no mention of any of that garbage so I tested only what Jack wrote and it bombed out bigtime.

And with "rockets," the first thing I tested was again, exactly what Jack wrote. I even quoted it and Jack said those conditions were all that was needed. But when it bombed, you guys keep piling on condition after condition, after the fact... one of your many obfuscation techniques.
 
Quote from tazman:

Why not just post some simple statements your broker or banker would understand? Put some numbers up of a futures account, it would stop the debate in its tracks. Post a few 3x H-L blotters, boy that would show everyone!

The last person to post their blotter received accusations of 'photoshopping' the results. Others have been accused of fraudulent activities. Within this very thread, one individual 'called his trades' only to be told, "Well that wasn't quite good enough."

I've called and posted trades the night before the stocks went up. Easyrider posted his account totals. Mak has posted his trades. ETlurker posted screenshots of his automated system running in real time. Mischief posted his code for automated trading. cnms2 posted his execution reports - before, during and after execution. Numerous others have posted their blotters. Yet here we are again, having the same discussion ad infinitum with people acting as if this 'proof' they have requested never existed.

The conversation always ends the same exact way.

No amount of 'proof' has ever been good enough, never will be, and that is just fine with me.

Good Trading to you all.

- Spydertrader
 
No debate here, I make great money daily b/c I have worked very hard and have adopted fundamental principles that work day in and day out in the S&P. Its no magic formula but it does requires 100's of hours of training yourself to get in sync with how the market operates. I know YOU dont want to hear this b/c that would mean you'd have to do some serious hard work just to get started. That, alone, is enough to filter out the riff raff.

Quote from tazman:

Why not post real results?

There are so many Hershey church members now there must be someone who is trading according to Hershey's plan.

Why not just post some simple statements your broker or banker would understand? Put some numbers up of a futures account, it would stop the debate in its tracks. Post a few 3x H-L blotters, boy that would show everyone!

It would also encourage those who are having a hard time at the early stage of learning the approach.

It's very simple? Why the emphasis on 'sharing' and the complete secrecy on results? You cannot get more negative posts than now; resolve this 10 year old discussion quickly.

BE DO HAVE vs BE HERE NOW!
 
Quote from Tums:

do you know how to use the Quote button on the bottom right corner of a post?



Now I do ! :cool: I just lost my virginity :D


I will visit the chat room tomorrow
 
Quote from Trader666:

No, the gotcha's on you!

Because in Jack's "tomorrow's paper today" there's no mention of any of that garbage so I tested only what Jack wrote and it bombed out bigtime.

And with "rockets," the first thing I tested was again, exactly what Jack wrote. I even quoted it and Jack said those conditions were all that was needed. But when it bombed, you guys keep piling on condition after condition, after the fact... one of your many obfuscation techniques.

So why is our test of the material a Pass and yours a Fail??? A car manual doesn't show you how to apply pressure to the gas pedal. Is the car broken because you read the manual completely and did what it says and yet it did not get you to point B, or would you say that the manual is incomplete? Some have attempted to fill in the remaining programming details. So what's common sense for some of us may possibly not be so common sense for others. If a crazy person then walks up to the car and tells you to put the keys in the ignition, turn on the car, buckle your safety belt, step on the brake, put the car in drive, and then apply pressure to the gas pedal while controlling the steering wheel so that you can begin your way to point B, was the instruction set an obfuscation technique that does not address why the car is at point A (ie. negative EQ curve). You are at point A. The car manual tells you about the instruments in the car that assist in getting to point B. However, there are things that the manual takes for granted (ie. it's not idiot proof). It won't tell you how to make a right hand turn nor tell you what is your left and what is your right. In other words, the car manual is not the whole picture for getting to point B. If this is obfuscation, that what is not?
 
Quote from virgin:

An after the fact call, pretty convincing,

Which way did the market move after he posted? Forget his entry point. From the time he posted where did the market sit? and then where did it go? Not good enough? OK, this guy posted his calls and charts in real time - yesterday. As I have stated, no amount of proof will ever be good enough.

- Spydertrader
 
Yeah, like I am really going to answer your question with that completely insincere attitude.

I will tell you this though, I did net out 5 figs today...now that could be 10k or 99k. But since we did the math on our earlier trade together and saw that that was a 10k trade, I will let you use your imagination.

Quote from tazman:

Hi Harold,

How did you do today? Get 3 x H-L? Were you always in the market?

I would love to hear that you are succeeding.

You guys remind me of a old man who was called for a sex survey. He was asked his age and then "how often do you have sex?"

The man replied, "Why, almost every day!" "Almost on Monday. Almost on Tuesday. Almost on Wednesday."

Asking anyone in the Hershey church is the same, "How often do you trade 3 X H-L & how often do you remain in the market all day?" The reply is "Why Almost every day! Almost on Monday! Almost on Tuesday!....."

BE DO HAVE vs. BE HERE NOW!

Have a great day! :)
 
Perhaps thats what you require to feel good about yourself, I dont need anyones respect or praise on an anonymous board. I am 35, in good health, have a great wife and get to trade in my sleep clothes and make excellent money that affords me a very comfortable life.....and besides....if I was ever going to post results from a day it would most certainly have been yesterday :D

Quote from tazman:

Ok, and you would not post such fantastic results and receive the praise, respect and ET kudos that would bring? "Harold Balls" would be sung from the church steps and the birds would sing. Why?
 
Ha! I WANT you to not believe me so you will continue your subpar approach to trading. The last thing I want is to have 50 guys doing what I do (maybe even better than me). I guarentee if I post this months results the hits on the futures thread would quadruple. The ONLY reason I am still posting here is I know you dont believe anything I say and I am just having a good old time teasing you.

The fact of the matter is, the great majority of people are too lazy to undertake the effort required so I'm really not too worried about it. You seem like one of those people Tazzy.

Btw, to those couple bashers from this thread who pm'ed me singing a different tune, I've disabled my PM so you, or anyone else, cannot message me. Its funny how you guys act so tough here and then secretely message me basically probing for more info. How sad :D

End communication....


Quote from tazman:

So post yesterday, it must have been $50K plus right?!?! You are indeed great ballsie! (Even without posting you know you will always have my respect.... :) )

So why do Hershey church members always have $10,000 - $99,000 days and turn $10,000 into $15M and '3 guys going to make $45M in a year'? Doesn't anyone ever lose money or just do a shitty $300 day now and then?

BE DO HAVE vs BE HERE NOW!
 
LOL, if I told you, you'd just discredit it as impossible anyways so what is the point.

and, btw 3 times the daily range is phenominal. I'm not an expert enough to produce those results yet. But....you dont have to to make sick money.


Quote from virgin:

They claim to capture 3 times H-L , you ask them how much they captured today, they brag with $$$ and no answer regarding the range...
 
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