Quote from virgin:
Leading newbies to believe the following
Jack_Hershey ;
" I use leading indicators (17) to be sure I know what is going on and what is coming up next."
and claiming you can make 3 times the daily range , I find almost criminal and is part of creating the illusion.
Leading indicators(aka holy grail) DON'T exist and making 3 times the daily range is almost impossible.
If he just had the track record to back up his claims.......................if he had that, he wouldn't be writing books on elitetrader
Thanks for collecting your thoughts and identifying your roles.
Protecting newbies is a good idea for you to do. WOM is what I prefer as a matter of fact.
I prefer WOM because people who spread the paradigm are practitioners whose experience involved sucessfully mastering the transference and it puts them in a very good place to help others.
By excluding yourself from the consideration of the pool extraction paradigm or template, you can spend your time focusing on improving your personal performance in what you do which is part of the conventional orthodoxy. And you can punch up a protective statement in short order by cutting and pasting the post I am responding to.
The daily range is there and zig zags do occur in it. That is what I compare effectiveness , efficiency and optimizing opportunities to. You do not and you make money how you do and it has no relation to the range for you.
Leading indicators do not exist for you. That is a truism for a lot of people. My practice is different from yours; it includes leading indicators and signals. It is perfectly alright for another to not believe in or use leading indicators of what they trade. All edges are leading indicators of hold periods for making money for most people. If they see a set up and bet on it, they are simply practicing the use of an "edge" which leads making money. You do not believe in a context like this for trading. I am not asking anyone to do anything they do not want to do.
You wish to protect newbies from my approach. That is a good idea and it will help people who are like you.
I have a track record; anyone can do the search to see it. Other people who are successful in using the template of pool extraction have track records too and they also are passing forward what they do and know.
What I do on ET is answer questions in threads that arise. My style of writing is not acceptable to most people. They do not read it as a consequence. Nor do they comment on what they do not do or do not like since they do not have the obligations that you do. You take your jobs in ET seriously and are the most frequent poster in this thread and now you have consolidated your roles and viewpoints. This is a good thing for all of us to see in motion as you go along.
What I post is not your cup of tea and it is what is there in my world as it is now called.
Recently, someone gave me a backtest report out schema. So I did that on three levels for SCT using the year 2006.. He did not respond. That can happen in ET.
Several people are going to be making their trading records part of the forthcoming reference books I am completing. I also have attended about 50 presentations of assorted people who are currently marketing their wares. I am collecting quotables from them for use to use as a stepping off place for anyone who is practicing their methods. Since I am old and have been a practitioner for a long time, I will be including historical stuff on how trading worked over the years.
I do not believe any of this will do anything more than provide a context for the very foreign approach that I use. I can't imagine anyone wanting to buy any books I author in this field.
It is not possible for a person to change a personal belief system once it is entrenched. It is a foundation that they have and it causes them not only to believe the way they do but to behave according to their beliefs.
You know you must protect newbies. You know that leading indicators are imposible and you know that only so much money (as yet unannouced to us) can be made from the markets.
I have worked in a different way than you believe and act upon. So it happens and it is not possible from your point of view. This is common and goes on all of the time in a lot of places.
Strangely my stuff predated any one referenced so far in this thread. And my stuff is comapred to theirs as something that is in a peculiar relationship to theirs. While I am only an amateur and will remain so, it is possible that a lot of things are happening independently and that is a common thing also.