Baron - Is Zionist Fascism a fun joke for you and ET?

[WAEL012000]

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http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_during_ww2.php

Palestinianfact.org is a frudelent site that has less credibility than your wikipidia and even you.

But hey...According to Israeli Shahak, a well known Israeli Historian, "LEHI showed its uniqueness in its very earliest political strategy, namely in its persistent search for an alliance with Nazi Germany throughout 1940 -- 41. Unlike all other Jewish groups of that time, the LEHI men respected Hitler. Later, the veterans of LEHI tried for a long time to deny that they had ever made alliance overtures to the Nazis. Unfortunately for them, documents proving the contrary were found by Israeli scholars and journalists and published long ago. The search for that alliance and its implications are best described in the above-mentioned book by Heller. He shows that the drafting of the Principles of Renaissance took place at the same time, and he argues that LEHI's pro-Nazism was by no means unrelated to the contents of this document."

As is known, the expectations of a rapid Nazi victory were soon dashed. What happened instead was the rapid British conquest of Syria and Lebanon, which entailed an escape of Nazi diplomats from Beirut. Yair held the Vichy regime in high esteem, as a model for the Jews to imitate. For him, that regime had the supreme virtues of being anti-British and anti-democratic. after the collapse of this regime in Syria and Lebanon, he had to look farther for possible contacts. During the second half of 1941, after the invasion of the USSR and the German victories there, his appetite increased for approaching the Nazis again with an alliance proposal. As Heller believes, his renewed effort to contact the Nazis rested merely on "his desire to see Britain defeated by them." Therefore, in December 1941, he dispatched Nathan Yelin-Mor with another offer of the alliance with the Nazis. initiative floundered, however, as Yelin-Mor was arrested by the British in Aleppo before he could reach Turkey and, via Turkey, Nazi-occupied Europe. Several days after Yelin-Mor's arrest, Yair was killed while being apprehended by British detectives. After Yair's death, the leadership of LEHI passed on to the "triumvirate" comprised of Shamir, Eldad-Sheib and the same Yelin-Mor whom Yair had dispatched to Europe."

http://www.mepc.org/journal_shahak/shahak39.asp

Also, according to another Israeli historian, Lenni Brenner'

"here was a plan to turn to Italy for help and to make contact with Germany on the assumption that these could bring about a massive Jewish immigration. I opposed this, but I did join Lehi after the idea of contacts with the Axis countries was dropped. [19]

Even if we were to take his new tale as gospel, was not the Prime Minister of Israel nevertheless confessing that he had knowingly joined a pro-Nazi organization? But he was lying. There is evidence that he had been an early follower of Stern. Gerold Frank, in his 1963 book The Deed, a study of the Sternists’ later assassination of Lord Moyne, wrote, three times, of a meeting, “in the days immediately following the Raziel-Stern split”, where Yzernitzky tried to recruit the still undecided youths of the Irgun to Stern’s faction: “‘Men!’ his deep voice rumbled. ‘If you want to smell fire and powder, come with us!’” [20] Additionally, Shamir conveniently “forgets” that there were two attempts to ally with the Hitlerites, and there is no doubt that Shamir was a prominent member of the organization before Yalin-Mor made his unsuccessful effort to teach the Germans again in Turkey."

http://www.marxists.de/middleast/ironwall/15-shamir.htm

Also, I do not know if you also had the political honesty to expose Maxipad to Kastner story and how he was killed one day before he was to go to the court to tell it all about the involvment of the Israeli leadership with the Nazis.

 

[WAEL012000]

Quote from dddooo:

How about Colin Powell and Condi Rice, does it mean that african americans and the African continent are behind the invasion? How about pro-war protestants and catholics in the government, does it mean that the war was instigated by the Vatican? Get real Wael. Perle, Feith and co don't represent american jews or Israel any more than Powell and Rice represent american blacks or Africa.

No but given the duel loyalty of American officials who hold duel American/ Israeli citizenship, i find it very hard, in fact impossible to belive, that all of these nice men and women did not have a very will identified strategy put in place to engage the Americans in a war that will only benefit your state dddooo.

One of the examples that come to mind is the theft of vital and sensitive inelegance reports by AIPAC and the submission of such information to the Israeli embassy in Washington D.C.

Richard Perle was a top brass Pentagon official and advisor as well as Bibi Natenyaho's campaign manager in one of the Israeli elections. This shit never happened in the history of the United States.

Wow! What happened to your accusation the President AhmadiNajat wanted to wipe your state off?
I gave you the translation prefered by your side, I don't see any practical difference between wiping Israel off the map or erasing it from the page of time so I simply wanted to avoid a linguistic dispute. You may certainly continue splitting hairs all you want. [/B]

Of course! except we now know that this is not what he said.

 

[dddooo]

Quote from WAEL012000:

No but given the duel loyalty of American officials who hold duel American/ Israeli citizenship, i find it very hard, in fact impossible to belive, that all of these nice men and women did not have a very will identified strategy put in place to engage the Americans in a war that will only benefit your state dddooo.
Wael, I am not disputing, in fact I am not even discussing the loyalty (dual or not) of those individuals and who they believed the invasion was going to benefit. Neither of us will ever know. My point was that they represented neither Israeli people, nor Israeli government nor American jews. Frankly I expected this kind of nonsense from Publisher i.e. there were jews in the government so the invasion was for Israel, there were jews among communists so the jews (all of them) are responsible for communism. I expected better from you.

Of course! except we now know that this is not what he said.
Huh, Are you disputing that he talked about erasing Israel from the page of time? Or are you saying that "erasing Israel from the page of time" is significantly less threatening then wiping it off the map? You're not claiming that Ahmadenejad suggested to kissandmakeup, are you? (pun intended).

PS I don't know about LEHI but I have no doubt that there were jewish nazi collaborators. There are scumbags and idiots among jews too, you know, Ahmadenejad kissing Neturei Karta comes to mind right away. But an overwhelming majority of jews (99.9%) were NOT Nazi supporters or collaborators, while it was a mainstream prevalent position in the arab/muslim world.

 

[hapaboy]

Quote from I am...:

Welcome back WAEL,

I have some experience in the region. If you are interested in saving the people, perhaps I can be of assistance.

Yours,

Jesus

Yes! Yes! Send in I Am to mediate.

Guaranteed to end a thread through incoherence. He is the cooler of ET...

p.s. Welcome back, WAEL. It's been a while since a bombastic moonbat of your caliber was around!!

 

[WAEL012000]

Quote from dddooo:

Wael, I am not disputing, in fact I am not even discussing the loyalty (dual or not) of those individuals and who they believed the invasion was going to benefit. Neither of us will ever know. My point was that they represented neither Israeli people, nor Israeli government nor American jews. Frankly I expected this kind of nonsense from Publisher i.e. there were jews in the government so the invasion was for Israel, there were jews among communists so the jews (all of them) are responsible for communism. I expected better from you.

What? Buddy...There are hundreds of thousands of Jews who I would wish we have more of in our sociaty. There are hundreds of thousands of Jews in the American Admin. who act purly according to their loyality to the US governoment and nothing more.

When I chose the above list, i chose it due to their association with Zionist power centers, Zionist lobby and the state of Israel.

Huh, Are you disputing that he talked about erasing Israel from the page of time? Or are you saying that "erasing Israel from the page of time" is significantly less threatening then wiping it off the map? You're not claiming that Ahmadenejad suggested to kissandmakeup, are you? (pun intended).

This is what he said;
"Now we can review the speech quickly. At first, he explained the real meaning of Palestine adventure from his point of view. “The Palestine problem is not a conflict among Jewish and Muslims, it is not a conflict between Jewish and other sects; it is neither a fight among two countries nor a fight between a country and the rest Arab world. The establishment of the occupier Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world” he said in his speech. Later on he talked about the historic fight among Muslim world and the world oppressor. “It dates back hundreds of years. Sometimes Islam has advanced. Sometimes nobody was winning. Unfortunately over the past 300 years, the world of Islam has been in retreat," he said and talked about history for a while."


PS I don't know about LEHI but I have no doubt that there were jewish nazi collaborators. There are scumbags and idiots among jews too, you know, Ahmadenejad kissing Neturei Karta comes to mind right away. But an overwhelming majority of jews (99.9%) were NOT Nazi supporters or collaborators, while it was a mainstream prevalent position in the arab/muslim world.

Oh come on dddooo, a smart guy like you does not know who LEHI is?

LEHI is an underground Zionist group in Palestine that was involved in terrorist attacks against Palestinian towns and villages and British interest in Palestine.

Some of perminant leaders were wanted by the British authority for committing terrorist attacks against the British presence in Palestine (not us though). One of their perminant leaders is...Hmmmmmmm...what was that guy's name...Hmmmmmmmmm!!!

Oh yeah YOUR FUCKING EX PRIME MINISTER YTZHAK SHAMIR

 

[dddooo]

Quote from WAEL012000:

What? Buddy...There are hundreds of thousands of Jews who I would wish we have more of in our sociaty. There are hundreds of thousands of Jews in the American Admin. who act purly according to their loyality to the US governoment and nothing more.
OK, we agree then, the jews that were involved in the invasion were bad (or misguided) people, the blacks, the catholics, the protestants, the japanese, the muslims who were involved in the invasion were bad or misguided people. Yet there is not a shred of evidence that the war in Iraq was for Israel's or Vatican's or Africa's benefit.

This is what he said
"Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has openly called for Israel to be wiped off the map."
..."As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map," said Ahmadinejad, referring to Iran's revolutionary leader Ayat Allah Khomeini."
http://english.aljazeera.net/English/archive/archive?ArchiveId=15816

It's Al Jazeera's translation so you can hardly complain. Where is Juan Cole when you need him? Sorry buddy but you were asking for it.

Oh come on dddooo, a smart guy like you does not know who LEHI is?
I know about LEHI - an outlawed militant terrorist organization. I don't know whether the article about LEHI collaborating with the Nazi is necessarily true. But as I said, even if it is - 99.9% of the jews did not collaborate with the Nazi, most arabs and muslims unfortunately did. And as I said I am ready to forgive them if they make peace with Israel.

 

[WAEL012000]

Quote from dddooo:

OK, we agree then, the jews that were involved in the invasion were bad (or misguided) people, the blacks, the catholics, the protestants, the japanese, the muslims who were involved in the invasion were bad or misguided people. Yet there is not a shred of evidence that the war in Iraq was for Israel's or Vatican's or Africa's benefit.

No we do not! I make a clear distinction between Jews and zionists. A big, big Jewish movement is growing in the US and around the world against the Zionist Fascist ideology. Hundreds of Jewish scholars, scientists, historians and leaders are signing petitions in the US and Britain opposing the state of Israel and Zionist ideology.

I am afraid that you, Bruto are tje only ones who see nothing wrong with what is done to us.

Oh I forgot Osama321! but then again, being who you are, it is much easier to promote one Fascist and his articles as the best post of the year and ban another Fascist from this forum.

I know about LEHI - an outlawed militant terrorist organization. I don't know whether the article about LEHI collaborating with the Nazi is necessarily true. But as I said, even if it is - 99.9% of the jews did not collaborate with the Nazi, most arabs and muslims unfortunately did. And as I said I am ready to forgive them if they make peace with Israel.

As I asked you before, do you have any proof to back your fraudulent claim that MOST Muslims and Arabs (dropped Palestinians this time) collaborated with the Nazi.

 

[dddooo]

Quote from WAEL012000:

I make a clear distinction between Jews and zionists.
Whatever, zionists are people who believe in Israel's right to exist. The point is still the same, the state of Israel, its government and its people together with the American jewish community are not responsible for the actions of a few rogue jews in Bush administration any more than the african american community and africa are responsible for the actions of rogue blacks in Bush administration or latino community is responsible for the actions of Alberto (Abu) Gonsalez, or the muslims are responsible for the actions of Ahmed Chalabi.

As I asked you before, do you have any proof to back your fraudulent claim that MOST Muslims and Arabs (dropped Palestinians this time) collaborated with the Nazi.
I provided you with a link and quotes, you did not dispute the facts but attacked the source instead. I am sure no source will be good enough for you. Anyway, you may want to try this book if you are truly interested: http://www.amazon.com/Nazi-Connection-Islamic-Terrorism-al-Husseini/dp/0595289444
As I said, I personally see it as a non-issue today, it was a totally different era, lots of peoples made wrong choices at that time, just stop acting like you are holier than thou and all your problems are caused by Zionists. You made wrong choices every time you had a choice to make, you hated the jews and attacked them long before Israel was established. You're no victims in this situation.

 

[I am...]

Quote from WAEL012000:

Hashahahaha
No wonder we are fighting an uphill battle!

Yes there are some steep slopes heading up to Jerusalem. If you would like a Guide, just ask.

Jesus

 

[WAEL012000]

Quote from I am...:

Yes there are some steep slopes heading up to Jerusalem. If you would like a Guide, just ask.

Jesus

But Jesus...I belive that you were a good misguided man. more peaceful than Moses and Mohamad. It is just that I do not believe that your father ever existed. I also belive that your mother had a big shameful secret to hide from you!