Baron - Is Zionist Fascism a fun joke for you and ET?

Is it kosher to post similar hate to that posted by Bruto?

  • No it is not! what applies to bruto does not apply to anyone else.

    Votes: 1 5.3%
  • Yes it is! It is free speech

    Votes: 7 36.8%
  • No it is not. Hate propoganda is hate propoganda!

    Votes: 6 31.6%
  • There is a big difference between hate directed against Arabs and Muslims and that that is directed

    Votes: 5 26.3%

  • Total voters
    19
  • Poll closed .
Quote from dddooo:

I imagine there are bad apples in the IDF but as a matter of policy and ROE the IDF don't use human shields.

Sure, there are bad apples in all walks of life. On the matter of policy though, some might interpret having a specific military procedure which entails the use of human shields as indeed being policy i.e. not just the work of a few bad apples.

A recent article in the Jerusalem Post sums it up briefly:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1173879096640&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

"The High Court of Justice has rejected the use of Palestinian civilians in military operations according to a military practice which the army called the "Neighborhood Procedure." According to the procedure, the army said it would ask Palestinian civilians to volunteer to enter buildings suspected of harboring terrorists and urge them to give themselves up. But the court rejected the procedure, saying that civilians facing armed troops would be hard pressed to reject such requests."
 
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

Just show me something from the UN that states that the occupation is legal.
If you want to play this game then show me something that states that the occupation is illegal. Yeah, that pesky little thing called the burden of proof.

Show me the findings of a court of law with a presiding judge, with attorneys representing both sides and making their cases, show me a jury that deliberated and deemed Israeli actions and the occupation illegal. Isn't that how the issue of illegality of actions is decided in civilized societies, it's not based on your or my of Wael's opinion of what is and is not illegal, it's based of jury determinations.

So show me a court decision making the occupation illegal. Cause Israel is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
 
Quote from Sirtatocar:

How can they prevent Israel from invading and building racial colonies? Israel is STILL building more settlements.
Why argue about land disputes when the Palestinians CHOOSE to remain stateless? Israel should take all the land and exile the troublemakers to neighboring states, and eject Syria out of Lebanon. That way, Iran, Syria, and others can no longer hide behind proxy cultures of death residing in stateless territories surrounding Israel.
Quote from Sirtatocar:

Palestinians have the highest rate of PhD holders per capita in the world.
Most of whom teach political science in Western universities spreading anti-Israel/anti-western propaganda. Most of whom are Arabs that call themselves Palestinians because they had an uncle who lived there. They are the biggest enablers of this mess.

Quote from Sirtatocar:

In a 6 month period there were Zero suicide bombings and Israel called this a peace, yet during that time 435 Palestinians were killed by Israelis. Then there was a bombing that killed 9 Jews and it was on every news channel not one single israeli attack was covered in the US press. [/B]
The American media has been ridiculed for reporting Palestinian lies and fauxtography at face value, without any independent verification. They are still trying to repair their reputations after the recent conflict in Lebanon. Conservative bloggers caught them red-handed.

Other media outlets abroad continue to believe everything Palestinians say because after all, "poor and desperate people never lie."

If the 435 Palestinians were in fact killed by Israelis, then these were probably 435 failed suicide bombing attempts. The only reason why there has been scarcely any suicide bombings the past year is because Israel has improved its defensive tactics, to counter this neighboring youth-culture of death, aided and abetted by the Arab/Muslim World.
 
Quote from TraderMojo:

Sure, there are bad apples in all walks of life. On the matter of policy though, some might interpret having a specific military procedure which entails the use of human shields as indeed being policy i.e. not just the work of a few bad apples.

A recent article in the Jerusalem Post sums it up briefly:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1173879096640&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

"The High Court of Justice has rejected the use of Palestinian civilians in military operations according to a military practice which the army called the "Neighborhood Procedure." According to the procedure, the army said it would ask Palestinian civilians to volunteer to enter buildings suspected of harboring terrorists and urge them to give themselves up. But the court rejected the procedure, saying that civilians facing armed troops would be hard pressed to reject such requests."
"IDF Judge Advocate-General Brig.-Gen. Avichai Mandelblit ordered the Military Police Thursday night to launch the criminal investigation into the allegations. "
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1173879096640&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

If allegations are investigated by the Military Police the alleged actions are obviously against the official policy and are in fact attributed to a few bad apples. Thanks for confirming my point.
 
Quote from WAEL012000:

when you sent your Pipes, Gafney and the rest of your hard core Zionists to promote the idea that it is part of our culture to be violent.
You did attack Israel several times, you did refuse to recognize it, you keep threatening to wipe Israel off the map, Hamas and Hezbollah do vow to never stop their jihad and their view are very popular among the Palestinians and Lebanese.

But forget Israel for a second, let's take a look at Iraq. Americans soldiers in Iraq don't kill Iraqis, Iraqis kill Iraqis, shia kill sunni and vice versa. Israel does not kill palestinians in Gaza today, Palestinians kill Palestinians in Gaza. Hamas kill Fatah and vice versa. And don't get me started on Darfur and Rwanda, 9/11 and London subway bombing, Madrid train station bombing and bombings in India, Bali, Moscow.
 
Burden or proof, yes. You claim legal, I say prove it beyond your typical fantasy projections...

Typical neocon who also claims US war in Iraq was legal, that occupation of Iraq is legal, blah, blah, blah.

An occupier via military force is innocent until proven differently?

Your lack of sanity is now showing itself...

The UN knows that the US would block any attempt by the security council to try and hold Israel responsible, so they gave up long ago even trying.

You really do live in a neocon bubble...next you will be saying USSR occupation of Afghanistan was legal because they were not tried in a court of law and found to be violating the law...

Oh, and by the way, show me a court that Israel would abide by that found it to be illegal....

I can't stop laughing even thinking about that idea, as if Israel would ever pay attention to what any external court would say...
Quote from dddooo:

If you want to play this game then show me something that states that the occupation is illegal. Yeah, that pesky little thing called the burden of proof.

Show me the findings of a court of law with a presiding judge, with attorneys representing both sides and making their cases, show me a jury that deliberated and deemed Israeli actions and the occupation illegal. Isn't that how the issue of illegality of actions is decided in civilized societies, it's not based on your or my of Wael's opinion of what is and is not illegal, it's based of jury determinations.

So show me a court decision making the occupation illegal. Cause Israel is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
 
Quote from dddooo:

The United Nations resolved to have Palestine partitioned into two states, one zionist and one arab,
actually one with jewish majority and one with arab majority

When twist the truth, you loser all credibility DDD. A Jewish minority within a Palestinian state has to be governed by the law of that independent palestinian state. I hope you do not disagree with that otherwise...omgh, you might have a problem living in the US.

But then again, i do not know who governs who, AIPAC governing the American admin. or vise versa!


as indeed even thought the Jews owned 6% of Palestine
First of all it was more than 6%, second the arabs did not own the remaining 94% either as you're trying to imply, most of the land was owned by the government (the Queen and the Ottoman Empire earlier). Moreover, no one was supposed to lose one's private property, an arab owning land on the jewish side of the partion would become a citizen of the new jewish state and retain the ownership of his land and his property.


I do not know if you have heard but committing 55 massacres and ethnically cleansing 450 towns and villages in what became later on Israel will make it hard for us to maintain our land...Don't you think?

During the Ottoman occupation, each land owner and each family had a title to the land called the "Tabo". The Turks, as bad as they were, did not attempt to ethnically cleans anyone of us out of his land you know. Or didn't you DDD?!

And 70% of the land granted to Israel was the Negev Desert - completely unusable for any purposes at the time. Thank you very much. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negev_desert The rest of the land was heavily populated by jews. And of course you don't take Jordan into account, guess what, Jordan had always been part of the Palestine mandate so when we discuss the partition of Palestine it should also be taken into account.

So the simple solution to this problem is to force an entire population out. Our land that was unjustly given to us, is not enough so we have to create the pretext to occupy more land to satisfy our greed.

Same practice is now vigorously carried in the occupied W. Bank!
dismantle an uninhabited outpost in front of all the world's cameras and then turn around and and criminally annex bigger chunks of good agrarian land from people who farmed that land for thousands of years.

Israel was attacked by 5 arab armies, Israel was given at best 50% chance of survival by military experts at the time. Israel lost 1% of its population in that war - that is 1 out of 100 jews was KIA.

Bullshit!
You were a superior army who provoked, massacred and cleansed population prior the Arab states sent the 2 camels that they had to fight you. When that happened, it was like a gift given to you from your god almighty to permanently annex land that was not yours to begin with. it is worthy to not that prior to the 1948 scarmish, you have committed massacres against the English forces in palestine who were trying to impose the borders of the partition.

The majority of the Arabic civilian population fled as reaction to the war and years of Jewish terrorism. They were never allowed to return to their homes.

A silly lie that is now being laughed at! you committed numerous massacres and went into villages loading people into trucks and buses, drove them to the borders and dumped there. Care to be provided with evidence DDD??

900,000 jews were expelled from arab states, their property seized by arab governments after Israel was created.

And the Arab states have made attempts in nueoumerous times to have them come back. Hossney Mubarak of Egypt has made such attempts and so are many arab leaders. Why don't you ask your people from an arab origin if they would want to go back.

Also, you have carried numerous terrorist attacks against jewish targets (synagogs) in the some arab states, as in the case of iraq's Jews, to cause a state of panic between these arab Jews in an attempt to compel them to migrate to your new illegal state.

I will be more than happy to provide you with evidance from other iraqi jews who participated in these terrorist attacks and now they are comming out to set the record straight.
 
Quote from dddooo:

Looks to me like the guy is leaving, not entering the house. Looks to me he was just arrested, not used as a human shield. Looks to me no one is hiding behind the guy's back, any militant/sniper can easily pick off both Israeli soldiers. If this picture is to be taken seriously then any time an israeli soldier is photographed next to a palestinian you can claim that he is used as a human shield.

But you said this is "some of the strongest evidence" you have... And I agree.

Khahaha

You know what that makes you DDD? A bigger terrorist than the Israeli soldier who is dragging that kid in front of him.

Buddy, you are a fake!

The following video shuts you up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXq57XK2L0A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiO0GYsyR4A
 
Quote from dddooo:

If allegations are investigated by the Military Police the alleged actions are obviously against the official policy and are in fact attributed to a few bad apples. Thanks for confirming my point.

"a military practice which the army called the "Neighborhood Procedure.""

It may be against official policy but it is/was de facto policy; not just the brainchild or tool of a few bad apples.

The official response that allegations will be investigated are par for the course especially given the IDF had issued previous committments not to use human shields.

At any rate, we agree that this practice has taken place: Israeli soldiers using Palestinians as human shields.

Perhaps we disagree on how widespread the practice is or has been.
 
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

Burden or proof, yes. You claim legal, I say prove it beyond your typical fantasy projections...
The burden of proof is on the prosecution (accuser) - you in this case. But you already know that, don't you. And as I said the UN refused repeatedly to condemn Israel and refused to call its actions illegal. And any action is legal until proven illegal, any entity is innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. But you know that too, don't you.

Your hatred and emotional hysteria don't replace facts and common sense, you know.
 
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