Baron - Is Zionist Fascism a fun joke for you and ET?

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

FYI the occupation is not illegal, post-war occupations happen all the time, they are absolutely legal and are not prohibited by international law.

International law recognizes that there are legal reasons to go to war. For example, states have the right to defend themselves against overt external aggression, in the form of an invasion or other attack.

There is not a general consensus that Israel had legal reasons to go to war in the first place, therefore the following occupation would not be legal. Bush's war with Iraq had no international or UN mandate, which is why many see the occupation of Iraq as also illegal.


The international perspective, excepting the U.S. in some cases, is that:

* The annexation of the Golan Heights and East Jerusalem are illegal and not recognized by international law
* The West Bank and Gaza are "occupied," because:
o They were captured by force of arms and against the will of their populations
o The residents in these areas were stateless
o Israel has put the territories under military rather than civilian administration, creating a de facto state of occupation
* Non-Jewish residents who reject Israeli citizenship and/or hegemony have the right to self-determination

Quote from dddooo:

FYI the occupation is not illegal, post-war occupations happen all the time, they are absolutely legal and are not prohibited by international law. Post-war occupations end when peace is negotiated between warring parties and a peace treaty is signe.

Read UNSCR 242 for more information. It's known as "land for peace" resolution, not land for nothing, not land for more Katyushas/Qassams resolution. Israel is required to withdraw from occupied territories when and only when a comprehensive peace agreement between Israel, arab states and the palestinians is signed, permanent borders are negotiated and security guarantees are provided. When these conditions are met the occupation will end, but not a moment earlier.


1. Affirms that the fulfillment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles:

(i) Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;

(ii)Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_242

 

[WAEL012000]

Quote from dddooo:

Could this be the reason?

This is not cartoon;

Sameh Amira is escorted by heavily armed Israeli soldiers on a door-to-door sweep in Nablus, providing some of the strongest evidence to date that the Israeli army is still using Palestinian civilians as human shields. Photograph: Alaa Badarneh/EPA

 

[WAEL012000]

Quote from Sirtatocar:

What an ignorant picture. Palestine does not have an army, never had one. So it's Israeli propaganda to refer to lightly armed Palestinian guerilas as soldiers.

People are unable to grasp that maybe, just maybe, Israel is holding an ILLEGAL MILITARY OCCUPATION and that is why they kill Israelis?

Jews rose from their graves in front of the gas chambers, came with British gun boats and started terrorism from the first day. They did not bring anything good with them, every Arab state has better medical care, science, business oppertunities etc than Palestine. Palestinians can not even drive on their own roads thanks the the Jewish fascism and color coded liscence plates, check points ect.

What is so ironic is that when the the Jewish people defended their homes and neighborhoods in the Warsaw ghetto. they were called heroes even though they were surrounded by their own families and children.

When an israeli occupation force shells complete neighborhoods then send their brave zionist killers, fortified in tanks, to our neighborhoods; we are called criminals for defending our ghettoed towns and villages.

How ironic and what level of truth manipulation mastery these zionists achieved!

 

[dddooo]

Quote from WAEL012000:

This is not cartoon;

Sameh Amira is escorted by heavily armed Israeli soldiers on a door-to-door sweep in Nablus, providing some of the strongest evidence to date that the Israeli army is still using Palestinian civilians as human shields. Photograph: Alaa Badarneh/EPA

Looks to me like the guy is leaving, not entering the house. Looks to me he was just arrested, not used as a human shield. Looks to me no one is hiding behind the guy's back, any militant/sniper can easily pick off both Israeli soldiers. If this picture is to be taken seriously then any time an israeli soldier is photographed next to a palestinian you can claim that he is used as a human shield.

But you said this is "some of the strongest evidence" you have... And I agree.

 

[TraderMojo]

Quote from dddooo:

But you said this is "some of the strongest evidence" you have... And I agree.

So, you don't accept that Israeili soldiers use Palestinians as human shields? Or are you just refuting this one example?

 

[dddooo]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

There is not a general consensus that Israel had legal reasons to go to war in the first place, therefore the following occupation would not be legal.

UN resolution 242 requires Israel to end the occupation in exchange for peace and recognition and not earlier. If nothing else this makes the occupation de-facto legal until the resolution's requirements are met by both sides.

Let alone the fact that Israel was not denounced by the UN despite multiple attempts by the arab world, let alone the fact that "a general consensus" on Israel can never be achieved as 100 or so muslim countries will never side with Israel on any issue, the rest of the world pretty much agrees that Israel's pre-emptive attack was legitimate and justified. Let alone the fact that the arab world replied to resolution 242 with their famous 3 nos in 1967: "No peace, no recognition, no negotiations" and their attitude still stands today.

 

[dddooo]

Quote from TraderMojo:

So, you don't accept that Israeili soldiers use Palestinians as human shields? Or are you just refuting this one example?

I imagine there are bad apples in the IDF but as a matter of policy and ROE the IDF don't use human shields. Hamas, Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations do use human shields routinely. Placing rocket launchers in school yards and bomb factories in basements of residential buildings is de-facto use of human shields. Let alone their use of ambulances to transport weapons and terrorists.

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

End the occupation, it doesn't state that the occupation is legal....defacto or otherwise.

Just show me something from the UN that states that the occupation is legal.

There are complaints of an illegal occupation all over the world, even in the USA...

" the rest of the world pretty much agrees that Israel's pre-emptive attack was legitimate and justified."

This is complete bullshit...

The rest of the world is pretty much non Arab, non Jew, non White, non Christian, non Western, and wasn't asked their opinion...

See what China's opinion is, India, Africa, South America...

You are about as myopic as it gets...

Quote from dddooo:

UN resolution 242 requires Israel to end the occupation in exchange for peace and recognition and not earlier. If nothing else this makes the occupation de-facto legal until the resolution's requirements are met by both sides.

Let alone the fact that Israel was not denounced by the UN despite multiple attempts by the arab world, let alone the fact that "a general consensus" on Israel can never be achieved as 100 or so muslim countries will never side with Israel on any issue, the rest of the world pretty much agrees that Israel's pre-emptive attack was legitimate and justified. Let alone the fact that the arab world replied to resolution 242 with their famous 3 nos in 1967: "No peace, no recognition, no negotiations" and their attitude still stands today.

 

[WAEL012000]

Quote from dddooo:

Read UNSCR 242 for more information. It's known as "land for peace" resolution, not land for nothing, not land for more Katyushas/Qassams resolution. Israel is required to withdraw from occupied territories when and only when a comprehensive peace agreement between Israel, arab states and the palestinians is signed, permanent borders are negotiated and security guarantees are provided. When these conditions are met the occupation will end, but not a moment earlier.

I think you are reading the wrong UN resolution. Or could it be that you are, as usual, trying to legalize an immoral occupation and to deflect attention. I mean after all, you have mastered such skill D.

Security Council Resolution 242, Nov. 22, 1967

Calls for the withdrawal of Israeli forces from territories occupied in the war that year and "the acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every state in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force."

Now let us talk about settlement occupation which you and Bruto, most likely, send thousands of dollars to

Israel's settlements in Palestine are Illegal.

Security Council Resolution 446, March 22, 1979

"Determines that the policy and practices of Israel in establishing settlements in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967 have no legal validity and constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East."


1. Affirms that the fulfillment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles:

That is irrelevant! The existence of peace or the lack of is a side issue to legalize or illegal(ize) it!

Proof you said? The proof is in the statement you "unintentionally" omitted from that resolution;

"the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war "

Also, UN resolution 242 was cleverly spun by you D!

UN resolution 242 clearly indicated that for peace to be achieved, the following has to happen;

Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;

Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;

Affirms further the necessity

For guaranteeing freedom of navigation through international waterways in the area;

For achieving a just settlement of the refugee problem;

For guaranteeing the territorial inviolability and political independence of every State in the area, through measures including the establishment of demilitarized zones;

(i) Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;

NOT....THE...OTHER...WAY...AROUND...SLICK...BOY!

Now in regard to the termination of all claims...We have done that in the 1994 PNC conference AND in the Beirut Arab league conference ]AND in the Riyadh Arab league conference.

That is why, and with the help of the cheapest slut ever, Condi, decided to go behind our backs to each singe Arab state trying to convince them not to put the withdrawal as a condition to normalize relation with the Arab states...something that was flatly rejected by all and expressed by the secretary of the Arab League, mr. Amr Musa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_242]/b]

By the way, I see you are still using wikipedia?! When did YOU invent a new UN 242 there?

 

[WAEL012000]

Quote from dddooo:

No it is not. I participate in a polical discussion, I respond in good faith to a graph and try to explain the disparity in the number of dead. That has nothing in common with starting 10 threads a day spreading hatred and smearing a religion, race or ethnicity. Are you too dumb to understand the difference between what I do and what Publisher was doing or you're just playing an idiot on the internets?

You guys have lost all credibility... especially when you sent your Pipes, Gafney and the rest of your hard core Zionists to promote the idea that it is part of our culture to be violent. Do not come crying wolf now DDD!

You wanted to promote a war between the world's biggest two religions to advance your agenda and it backfired on you. Do not act stunned please...As far as I am concerned...publisher is your baby.