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Quote from dddooo:

Stalin preferred to blame his own deportations of Jews on the Nazis.
Stalin never deported jews. Period. Did not happen. He wanted to in 1953-1954 if I am not mistaken but he died.

He also had interest in perpetuating the Holocaust story, because it helped to keep attention away from his own crimes. Stalin was known for fabricating lot's of ''evidence" against everyone he didn't like, so he should not be trusted on anything.
Nothing about the holocaust is based on Stalin's testimony or his "fabrications".

The KGB didn't exist at that time. Stalin himself attacked the Jews massively during the “Great Purge,” which took place in 1937 and 1938.
So KGB was called the GPU then, big fucking difference. More importantly Stalin attacked everyone during the Great Purge, jews, russians, ukrainians, uzbeks, christians, muslims, atheists. No group was singled out and no group was spared. In fact many of your anti-semitic brethren believe that the jews in the russian government, not Stalin were behind the Great Purge. You people sure want to have it both ways.

Dr. W. Sanning claims that emigration and death had already, by 1939, reduced to 2.6 million the 3 million Jews in Poland in 1931, and that thereafter no fewer than 2.1 million Jews were deported by the Soviet Union to Siberia, including such notable figures as Menachem Begin. More escaped through other routes, leaving only 750,000 in German-controlled Poland by 1941. For obvious reasons, the Germans exaggerated the figures in order to justify their policies, while the Soviets have imposed a total silence. Sanning makes the further claim that the large number of Jews in Russian-controlled Poland in 1941 and other populations in the Ukraine, the Baltic countries and western Russia were forcibly deported early in 1941 to work in the relocated industries behind the Urals. Thus, only 720,000 Soviet Jews fell into German hands in 1941-2, mostly older people in any case liable to higher death rates through natural causes. But the vast majority must have survived the war, since the figures of Jews present after 1945 amount to nearly this total. The fate of the Jews deported by the Russians to Siberia was far worse (by implication than those under Nazi control).

In the summary of his 239-page book , which is based almost entirely on Jewish and Allied data, Sanning writes:
"- At the beginning of World War Two there were fewer than 16 million Jews in the world […]
- One million Jews died while fighting in the Red Army or in Siberian labor camps; […]

- Approximately 14 million Jews survived the last war


Further civilian and military losses must be deducted from the missing one million Jews, so that Sanning eventually arrives at only about 300,000 Jews who lost their lives in unexplained manner in the German sphere of influence during the Second World War.

For example, Sanning quotes David Bergelson, the secretary of the Jewish Anti-fascist Committee, who stated in Moscow in 1942:73
—The evacuation saved a decisive majority of Jews of the Ukraine, White Russia, Lithuania, and Latvia. According to information from Vitebsk, Riga and other large centers which were conquered by the Fascists, there were few Jews there when the Germans arrived.“


Unfortunately, the book is not available in English on the internet, but anyone can buy and read the book and establish their own opinion. As far as I know, Sanning's scholarly work has never been contradicted, criticized or refuted in any way by the establishment.

In fact many of your anti-semitic brethren believe that the jews in the russian government, not Stalin were behind the Great Purge. You people sure want to have it both ways.

Stalin's apperent hatred from Jews has always been a matter of debate, for it will propably never be completely understood. Stalin had several Jews in high positions in his government and army, but he was extremely paranoid about Jews in general. He believed that many ordinary Jews were Trotskyites and constituted a great danger for his government, which explains his anti-Semitic deeds.
 
Quote from Rearden Metal:

Yes, no question.
It was obvious by his first post here.

I thought so. I wonder if he is going to try and post the same
stuff he did before and get banned again...:p
 
Quote from Sirtatocar:

Dr. W. Sanning[/url] claims that emigration and death had already, by 1939, reduced to 2.6 million the 3 million Jews in Poland in 1931,
Walter N. Sanning (who's German and whose real name is Wilhelm Niederreiter) could claim anything he wants but all statistics and census data show that there were 3 million jews in Poland in 1933.


and that thereafter no fewer than 2.1 million Jews were deported by the Soviet Union to Siberia
Except there never was a mass deportation of russian, polish or any other jews to Siberia. Not under Stalin, not under any other russian party, president or tsar. Not a single shred of evidence, not a single peace of paper, not a singe eyewitness testimony exists indicating that jews in Russia were ever uprooted and deported en-masse to Siberia or any other place.
 
Triple D, you must have incredible patience to be taking the time to respond to holocaust deniers with statistics and facts.

I could never do it- It would be like trying to reason with those who claim the earth is flat, instead of just telling them to fuck off, know what I mean?
 
Quote from dddooo:

Dr. W. Sanning[/url] claims that emigration and death had already, by 1939, reduced to 2.6 million the 3 million Jews in Poland in 1931,
Walter N. Sanning (who's German and whose real name is Wilhelm Niederreiter) could claim anything he wants but all statistics and census data show that there were 3 million jews in Poland in 1933.


and that thereafter no fewer than 2.1 million Jews were deported by the Soviet Union to Siberia
Except there never was a mass deportation of russian, polish or any other jews to Siberia. Not under Stalin, not under any other russian party, president or tsar. Not a single shred of evidence, not a single peace of paper, not a singe eyewitness testimony exists indicating that jews in Russia were ever uprooted and deported en-masse to Siberia or any other place.
Here are just a few revealing points:

- The 1931 Jewish population census for Poland put the number of Jews at 2,732,600 (Reitlinger, Die Endlösung, p. 36). Reitlinger states that at least 1,170,000 of these were in the Russian zone occupied in the autumn of 1939, about a million of whom were evacuated to the Urals and south Siberia after the German invasion of June 1941 (ibid. p. 50)

- Jew, Max Frankel was with the New York Times from the early 1950s to 1994, eventually becoming its Executive Editor. From: The Times of My Life. And my Life with The Times. Random House, New York, 1999:
"Except for my place of birth, I was a Galicianer, dammit, an Eastern Jew just one generation out of the shtetl.....Millions of survivors from the area mentioned above ended up in America and Israel. Surely not all emigrated and there must still be a remant left behind in Europe. The question is continually being asked, where did the Polish Jews go? It would appear the majority went to America and Israel.

"The Jews were deported by the Germans to the area under Soviet control on the other side of the San river. ... In the summer of 1940 many of them were deported to the Soviet interior."

Encyclopaedia Judaica Vol. II, p.184, on Poland.

As early as February 1940, German intelligence had reported the systematic deportation of the Polish, Ukrainian and Jewish population from the western Ukraine

(13- Aschenauer, Rudolf. Krieg ohne Grenzen, Leoni, 1982, p. 115.)

In Colliers magazine, June 9th, 1945, Freiling Foster, writing of the Jews in Russia, explained that:
"2,200,000 have migrated to the Soviet Union since 1939
BTW, Sanning gets most of his numbers from Jewish Holocaust historian Gerald Reitlinger (The Final Solution, 1961). He prefaces his analysis with "if one can believe Reitlinger". So, to claim Sanning's work is "not important" is simply a lie, aimed at covering up the facts he presented.

Jews went where Jews are. And given that there is no tenable evidence to accept the alleged '6,000,000' presented so far, the whole argument falls upon itself and is rather pointless. Think they were murdered? Then present evidence of such.
 
Quote from Rearden Metal:

Triple D, you must have incredible patience to be taking the time to respond to holocaust deniers with statistics and facts.

I could never do it- It would be like trying to reason with those who claim the earth is flat, instead of just telling them to fuck off, know what I mean?

I would like to be shown where, and exactly where, I have denied the Holocaust. I have merely raised a few difficult questions, and am hoping to see the true believers give me explanations that stand up to scrutiny.
 
Quote from Rearden Metal:

Triple D, you must have incredible patience to be taking the time to respond to holocaust deniers with statistics and facts.

I could never do it- It would be like trying to reason with those who claim the earth is flat, instead of just telling them to fuck off, know what I mean?
LOL I almost never responded to him when he was Publisher and I am not even sure how I got involved in this Holocaust discussion but his "arguments" are so baseless and absurd and so easy to debunk that I just could not help it. Right now he is so obviously and desperately grasping at straws that it's kind of fun to watch.
 
Quote from dddooo:

Right now he is so obviously and desperately grasping at straws that it's kind of fun to watch.

I am delighted to see self-conceit making up for a lack of common sense and an overabundance of Jewish superstition. But, I guess an evangelist shouting "Never Again!" is capable of removing the last ditch of critical thought present in the mind of those who, despite being sheeple, think of themselfes as the last hope for the rapture.
 
Quote from Sirtatocar:

I am delighted to see self-conceit making up for a lack of common sense and an overabundance of Jewish superstition. But, I guess an evangelist shouting "Never Again!" is capable of removing the last ditch of critical thought present in the mind of those who, despite being sheeple, think of themselfes as the last hope for the rapture.

As the Holocaust is considered by historians to be one of the most documented events in recent history, these views are not accepted as credible, with organizations such as the American Historical Association stating that Holocaust denial is "at best, a form of academic fraud."[102] Public espousal of Holocaust denial is a crime in several countries, including Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Israel, Italy, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Slovakia and Switzerland. See Laws against Holocaust denial for details.

Gordon McFee writes: "Revisionists depart from the conclusion that the Holocaust did not occur and work backwards through the facts to adapt them to that preordained conclusion. Put another way, they reverse the proper methodology ... thus turning the proper historical method of investigation and analysis on its head."[103] Public Opinion Quarterly summarized that: "No reputable historian questions the reality of the Holocaust, and those promoting Holocaust denial are overwhelmingly anti-Semites and/or neo-Nazis."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust
 
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