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i think the determination of the jews defending israel against
the arabs in the post WWII conflicts results directly from them
feeling guilty for having fought too little against the Nazis.

man, here is the post I believe you are talking about. I don't see
how you can think the Jews feel guilty for having fought too little
against the Nazi's. Was there really much they could do? The
Nazi regime was pretty powerfull at the time.
 
Quote from version77:

man, here is the post I believe you are talking about. I don't see
how you can think the Jews feel guilty for having fought too little
against the Nazi's. Was there really much they could do? The
Nazi regime was pretty powerfull at the time.
you truly get me wrong on this. there was absolutely no thing they
could have done. no thing. i just heard and read a couple of times
complains by the younger jews, asking why the elderly endured being
starved to death and not tried to do anything already facing the
certainty of death. i do not share this view, maybe that is the
misunderstanding here. i just stated it existed, or exists, and i
think that this is the very reason why the jews in fact fought
unwinable battles ... and won. they were willing to die for it.
 
Quote from man:

you truly get me wrong on this. there was absolutely no thing they
could have done. no thing. i just heard and read a couple of times
complains by the younger jews, asking why the elderly endured being
starved to death and not tried to do anything already facing the
certainty of death. i do not share this view, maybe that is the
misunderstanding here. i just stated it existed, or exists, and i
think that this is the very reason why the jews in fact fought
unwinable battles ... and won. they were willing to die for it.

Untill this thread, I was unaware that any Jews could of felt like
they had not fought back hard enough against the Nazi's. I have
always assumed they had no choice in the matter and they were
completely overwhelmed.

It is good to see we are on the same page. I misunderstood you.
I will try to not do this again...:)

I do realize after what happened back then that it has probably
had an effect on the Jews so now Israel apparently has 200-400
nuclear bombs? I wish this world would tear these darn things
apart before someone decides to use them.

I know the US already used 2 atom bombs against Japan. We
don't ever need to see this happen again. This is why I do not
want to see Iran (or anyone else) build more of them.

This world needs to disarm our nuclear bombs, not build more.
 
the only way of preventing future desaster is raising consciousness.
IMHO. it will be easier and easier to have devastating weapons.
and nukes are just one part of the spectrum. biologicals are at
least as damaging, there just has never been a big event, so it
is not so obvious.

nice weekend to you.
 
Quote from man:

the only way of preventing future desaster is raising consciousness.
IMHO. it will be easier and easier to have devastating weapons.
and nukes are just one part of the spectrum. biologicals are at
least as damaging, there just has never been a big event, so it
is not so obvious.

nice weekend to you.

I totally agree with you.

And have a nice weekend yourself.
 
Jesus, i think i just stepped into smurf land.

Just fyi, the jews had no land to possibly defend, and by the bye, completely irrelevant perhaps, but the greeks-yes, the greeks, were the only troops hitler granted a pardon to, on the singular account of their bravery.

They kicked mussolini once, and then, when they had no choice but to surrender to hitler-mussolini attacked them again, and they kicked his ass for a second time, after they had already surrendered to the germans.

El Duce was not impressed, but hitler was.


There's probably a moral to this story.
 
It's easy to claim that the Holocaust happened, but it's another thing to prove it. I.E explain why The Red Cross didn't find any gas chambers.


Elie Wiesel won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1986. He is generally accepted as a witness to the Jewish "Holocaust," and, more specifically, as a witness to the supposed Nazi extermination gas chambers

But in what respect is Elie Wiesel a witness to the alleged gas chambers? By what right does he ask us to believe in that means of extermination? In an autobiographical book that supposedly describes his experiences at Auschwitz and Buchenwald, he nowhere mentions the gas chambers. He does indeed say that the Germans executed Jews, but ... by fire; by throwing them alive into flaming ditches, before the very eyes of the deportees! No less than that!

Here Wiesel the false witness had some bad luck. Forced to choose from among several Allied war propaganda lies, he chose to defend the fire lie instead of the boiling water, gassing, or electrocution lies. In 1956, when he published his testimony in Yiddish, the fire lie was still alive in certain circles. This lie is the origin of the term Holocaust. Today there is no longer a single historian who believes that Jews were burned alive. The myths of the boiling water and of electrocution have also disappeared. Only the gas remains.

Elie Wiesel passes for one of the most celebrated eyewitnesses to the alleged Holocaust. Yet in his supposedly autobiographical book Night, he makes no mention of gas chambers. He claims instead to have witnessed Jews being burned alive, a story now dismissed by all historians. Wiesel gives credence to the most absurd stories of other "eyewitnesses." He spreads fantastic tales of 10,000 persons sent to their deaths each day in Buchenwald.

I, personally, don't know if the Holocaust happened, but these things make me question it. The inability of True Believers to come up with answers amplifies my doubts.
 
Quote from acronym:

but the greeks-yes, the greeks, were the only troops hitler granted a pardon to, on the singular account of their bravery.

Nonsense, most soldiers who belonged to completely defeated countries were eventually released from captivity.
 
Quote from Sirtatocar:

It's easy to claim that the Holocaust happened, but it's another thing to prove it.
let us put this into perspective. the holocaust is thought
of as a matter fo fact for about 99.9% of all historians.
so first of all, you have to get of that fact by claiming
a conspiracy.

let me rephrase your sentence. It's easy to claim that
the Holocaust did not happen, by dismissing all proof
that it did.
 
Quote from Sirtatocar:

I, personally, don't know if the Holocaust happened ...

oh, is that so? two paragraphs earlier it sounds a little
different:

Quote from Sirtatocar:

Forced to choose from among several Allied war propaganda lies , he chose to defend the fire lie instead of the boiling water, gassing, or electrocution lies. In 1956, when he published his testimony in Yiddish, the fire lie was still alive in certain circles. This lie is the origin of the term Holocaust.
 
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