Baron - Is Nazism a fun joke for you and ET?

[version77]

Quote from man:



i think the determination of the jews defending israel against
the arabs in the post WWII conflicts results directly from them
feeling guilty for having fought too little against the Nazis.

Right. I keep forgetting the Jews had an army to take on the Nazi's.

If you think the Jews feel "guilty" for not having fought against
a massive whole country filled with crazy murderers who had
superior "everything" to round them up and kill them than you
are simply nuts.

As far as the determination of the Jews wanting to defend Israel
against the Arabs or anyone else so they don't get mass murdered
again, yes... they sure in the hell have the right.

Only an idiot would see it differently. If it wasn't for the US, the Jews
would of been exterminated by now.

Let's just revise history and say 9/11 never happened either and
the people in the twin towers didn't fight hard enough against the
planes that crashed into the towers. Let's say they didn't run down
the frickin' stairs fast enough to save their lives. Lets blame it on them.

You and TM Direct or whatever his name is must be German and
feel guilty as hell your country is known for being the most cruelest
mass murderers of current times. You are the ones feeling guilty.

Hitler and company brought shame to Germany and it won't be
forgotten for many, many centuries it ever at all. I sure hope not.
Go visit Germany and see the Nazi camps. Feel the horror that went
on there.

If people want to revise what happened so it can happen again,
then they need to go see a psychiatrist.

Never forget what the Nazi's did to the Jews. Period.

 

[FanOfFridays]

Quote from TraderMojo:

So, do you believe in a superior race? Just curious.

You don't have to be 'a superior race' to outperform. It could just as easily be cultural. In the case of the Jews, I have seen what an incredibly strong cultural identity they have, and how focused their kids are as opposed to other groups I've seen. For whatever reason, their kids are very disciplined (as a whole) and aren't as interested in trivial things as other groups. This is just a casual observation, no data available, but it is the truth.

There are individual differences in aptitude from human to human. Anyone who denies that would be a PC nutcase. Richard Feynman was intellectually superior to me, for instance.

As I said, these anti-Semites are, by and large, men who have given away their opportunities in life and look for someone to blame. The Jews are ridiculously small in number, and achieve at a hugely disproportionate rate as compared to other groups. So they are hated by a certain class of individual. Pretty simple, really.

 

[FanOfFridays]

Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

Why is your generalization that Jew's "outperform" any different than say someone else saying "most Blacks are pricks"?

It isn't. It's just that one is the truth and the other is racist claptrap. Generalization is necessary for survival. It's just that some people generalize falsely. Like you.

The proof that Jews outperform is all around is, including this thread. Do you know how many Jews exist worldwide? You don't, and the answer would shock you. Now where do all those Nobel laureates, business moguls, entertainment giants, research scientists, banking bigwigs come from? This absurdly small group of people? Hmmm.. why is that? Do you know why there are so many Jewish lawyers? Do you understand the relationship between that fact and the Talmud? The answer would be... no, you do not.

The assertion that all blacks are pricks isn't quantifiable, Pabst. It's just your opinion, one that's informed by your learned racism. We can't look at median black prickness and compare it to the prickness of the general population, but we can look at median Jewish income and compare it to overall income. Get it?

However, since you have gone on record as saying that you are a fan of Hitler and that he got a raw deal in the history books, your appearance here is no surprise.

Disclaimer, as always - I have not a drop of Jewish blood in me.

 

[dddooo]

Quote from TraderMojo:

So, do you believe in a superior race? Just curious.

Jews are not a race and no one believes in a superior race but as Nik mentioned no one needs to be superior to outperform:

"The Nobel Prizes are awarded by the Nobel Foundation of Sweden to men and women who have rendered the greatest service to humankind. Between 1901 and 2006, more than 750 Nobel Prizes were handed out. Of these, at least 158 are Jews."
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/nobels.html

That's almost one-fifth of all Nobel laureates despite the fact that jews constitute 0.25% of the world's population.

 

[Pa(b)st Prime]

So "quantifiable" stature such as the number of "Nobel laureates, business moguls, entertainment giants, research scientists, banking bigwigs" are more legitimate measures than the number of Blacks committing crime in the U.S. and living in self imposed squaller (while poor Mexican's and the like find jobs). Blacks lack of "performance" isn't quantifiable?

I'm sure your equally impressed with Asians. Gosh, with all of these people in your view performing above the mean surely someone is lacking performance.

P.S. Nik, given that my mother is a quarter Jewish, that I grew up in one of the most Jewish neighborhoods in the United States, and traded on an Exchange floor, I think I know just a few more Jews than you do.

Quote from traderNik:

It isn't. It's just that one is the truth and the other is racist claptrap. Generalization is necessary for survival. It's just that some people generalize falsely. Like you.

The proof that Jews outperform is all around is, including this thread. Do you know how many Jews exist worldwide? You don't, and the answer would shock you. Now where do all those Nobel laureates, business moguls, entertainment giants, research scientists, banking bigwigs come from? This absurdly small group of people? Hmmm.. why is that? Do you know why there are so many Jewish lawyers? Do you understand the relationship between that fact and the Talmud? The answer would be... no, you do not.

The assertion that all blacks are pricks isn't quantifiable, Pabst. It's just your opinion, one that's informed by your learned racism. We can't look at median black prickness and compare it to the prickness of the general population, but we can look at median Jewish income and compare it to overall income. Get it?

However, since you have gone on record as saying that you are a fan of Hitler and that he got a raw deal in the history books, your appearance here is no surprise.

Disclaimer, as always - I have not a drop of Jewish blood in me.

 

[FanOfFridays]

Quote from dddooo:

That's almost one-fifth of all Nobel laureates despite the fact that jews constitute 0.25% of the world's population.

It would be difficult to believe without proof, wouldn't it? I mean, it is that outrageous a statistic.

Hmmm... now, I wonder why this is the case?

Hmmm....

 

[FanOfFridays]

Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

So "quantifiable" stature such as the number of "Nobel laureates, business moguls, entertainment giants, research scientists, banking bigwigs" are more legitimate measures than the number of Blacks committing crime in the U.S. and living in self imposed squaller (while poor Mexican's and the like find jobs). Blacks lack of "performance" isn't quantifiable?

If I didn't know you better, I'd think this was evasion.

I said specifically 'income'. You don't think income is a quantifiable measure?

You may know more Jews than me but then you claim to know more blacks than me... and look where that got you. Why do you always know more than me? I can't figure that one out.

I guarantee you I spend more of my social time with Jews than you do.

By the way... I have stated publicly that I'm with Bill Cosby, against guys like Sharpton who blame the man for every ill in black society. I absolutely believe that black kids need better role models within their own culture and I hope that they're getting more of them as time goes by.

However, as I have also pointed out, 'blacks' is a racial term, and there are blacks worldwide. My problem with you is that you generalize from your experience of inner city blacks in American cities and then make outrageous claims like '54% of all blacks are assholes'. I have spent time in Uganda, and South Africa. You have not. How do I know you haven't? I just know it.

I have never seen you say '47% of inner city American blacks are assholes'.

See?

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

Jews are not a race?

Okay, you should know...

Therefore being anti-Semitic makes no sense, as Jews are not a race per your description.

So, claims by Jews of anti-Semites (Semite Race) are false. Certainly Sammy Davis Jr. was not a Semite...

Also, we have have had zero women as presidents or vice presidents in this country, even though women (50% or more of the population) have voted for 85 years, so zero percent women in these positions. That's right, zero percent. So do we attribute that to women not being able to achieve, or that men are superior to women?

The problem with stating statistics alone of superiority in any way is that it leads to two conditions:

1. A sense of superiority among the group that is put up as superior.

2. A of imposed inferiority by the group designated as superior (Think Chosen Ones of God) upon the "inferior" which leads to resentments, hatred, etc.

I like our Declaration of Independence and its thinking...

All men (including women) are created equal.

The equality of humanity, if placed as a primary focus, and the achievements and things we do or don't do placed as a secondary condition, brings peace and harmony.

All that divides us destroys some of us, potentially all of us.

Master race is a direct reactionary thinking of dominance and abuse of power over in one way or another of another race, and generally the abuse of power that comes with that dominance.

Both sides are to blame actually, it always takes two to tango.

Quote from dddooo:

Jews are not a race and no one believes in a superior race but as Nik mentioned no one needs to be superior to outperform:

"The Nobel Prizes are awarded by the Nobel Foundation of Sweden to men and women who have rendered the greatest service to humankind. Between 1901 and 2006, more than 750 Nobel Prizes were handed out. Of these, at least 158 are Jews."
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/nobels.html

That's almost one-fifth of all Nobel laureates despite the fact that jews constitute 0.25% of the world's population.

 

[TraderMojo]

Quote from traderNik:

You don't have to be 'a superior race' to outperform.

By the way I'm not arguing with you, I'm just trying to understand your point of view. A simple yes or no would have sufficed.

Can you give me an example of how to outperform someone else without being superior? Say for example if two people were in a car race, with exactly the same cars. How would one go about consistently outperforming the other without being superior?

It could just as easily be cultural.

What about the culture do you hypothesize would lead one culture to outperform another, all other things being equal?

In the case of the Jews, I have seen what an incredibly strong cultural identity they have, and how focused their kids are as opposed to other groups I've seen. For whatever reason, their kids are very disciplined (as a whole) and aren't as interested in trivial things as other groups. This is just a casual observation, no data available, but it is the truth.

So, perhaps your anecdotal evidence suggest that this group have better discipline than other groups? Is that it? They are better disciplined and more focused. Could one say that they have superior discipline and focus?

 

[Sirtatocar]

Quote from version77:

Right. I keep forgetting the Jews had an army to take on the Nazi's.

If you think the Jews feel "guilty" for not having fought against
a massive whole country filled with crazy murderers who had
superior "everything" to round them up and kill them than you
are simply nuts.

If you want to believe in the Holocaust, go ahead, but don't pass it off as the truth until you are ready to face it's critics.

As far as the determination of the Jews wanting to defend Israel
against the Arabs or anyone else so they don't get mass murdered
again, yes... they sure in the hell have the right.

Go look up the word occupation. I guess it was the American Indians fault for getting genocide because the white people had to defend themselves from the people they were murdering. God only knows why some of the Indians would attack the white people who were systematically murdering them daily and taking their land.

Let me just move into your living room with an army to protect me. I have my own house of course which I bought from you at the point of a gun after I had to move from Europe for something you had no part in. But I get to have your living room too and you can no longer enter it. If you try to make me leave my army will kill you. We are going to take the kitchen too and if you stand in the way you are a terrorist for defending your land because god gave me the right to take you kitchen. Attack me and its your fault that I came into your house and took over the rooms. I mean my lord I even offered you the chair I broke and you would not take it.

Only an idiot would see it differently. If it wasn't for the US, the Jews
would of been exterminated by now.

Exterminated by whom?

Let's just revise history and say 9/11 never happened either and
the people in the twin towers didn't fight hard enough against the
planes that crashed into the towers. Let's say they didn't run down
the frickin' stairs fast enough to save their lives. Lets blame it on them.

"911 was nothing but an incident"-French politician Jean-Marie Le Pen. And he is completely right. 9/11 took place because of unconditionnal US support for Israel. But then, the US could afford to lose some civilians for a change. Particulary after the slaughter of so many millions of innocent civilians committed by the US troughout the last century. Dresden will never be forgotten.

Hitler and company brought shame to Germany and it won't be
forgotten for many, many centuries it ever at all. I sure hope not.
Go visit Germany and see the Nazi camps. Feel the horror that went
on there.

These standards don't apply to the Good Guys fighting the Bad Guys; they don't now and they didn't then, when Allied lawyer-propagandists like Raphael Lemkin invented the Genocide concept and sought to apply it to the Vanquished enemy.

I hope you have the same opinion about Roosevelt and Churchill, for they were as bad if not worse. Not to mention Stalin, who was too evil to even deserve to be mentioned.

If people want to revise what happened so it can happen again,
then they need to go see a psychiatrist.

Continue supporting the throwing in jail of revisionists, and refusing to debate with them. That's going to keep the official story alive!

My position is not that the Nazis/Germans never did nothing wrong. I am saying that the Victors have no moral right not to abjure their own Famous Victory to historical context and perspective. It takes two to tango.

Never forget what the Nazi's did to the Jews. Period.

OK, let's never forget what the US did to the Italian and Japanese Americans either, as it was equally horrible.