Bankruptcy Law Change Could Help Consumers Recover: Experts

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If you are stupid enough to borrow 80k to get an art degree, then you deserve to be saddled with the debt. Yeah, nobody wants to take responsibility for their own actions these days. Screw them. Pay up assholes.
 
The last thing this country needs is more bailouts to reward people for making bad decisions.
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Some economists go even further and call for a "Debt Jubilee" to forgive excess mortgage, student loans and credit card debt for some borrowers.
 
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haha an art degree....


I never understood the mentality of going to school for art, isnt art anything you make of it, why do you have to be educated in art to teach art, art can be anything....

Efficiency is providing your own answer within your own question. Kudos to ET forums.

Learning about art teaches you how to see what's in front of you. It teaches you how to understand what came before, and anticipate what comes after. My art education is one reason I'm trading how I trade today. So don't knock it til you've tried it.

99% fail because they follow what's prescribed and can't create for themselves. Art abhors consensus. In this business, I'll take that over a think-by-numbers degree any day.
 
Here is how it would work, if student debt can be discharged. You borrow 100k to get your degree. You graduate. You own the clothes on your back, a junker car or bike, and some credit card debt as well. You get your first job. Next day, you file chapter 7. Wipe out the 100k student debt, throw in the credit cards. Zero assets, so nothing to liquidate in court. "We have a winner"! Clean slate. You just went to college for free. You can't file chapter 7 again for 7 years, so the new credit card offers start to come in. They could set up walk up kiosks on campus to file chapter 7 the moment you graduate. What a world we live in.........
 
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Here is how it would work, if student debt can be discharged. You borrow 100k to get your degree. You graduate. You own the clothes on your back, a junker car or bike, and some credit card debt as well. You get your first job. Next day, you file chapter 7. Wipe out the 100k student debt, throw in the credit cards. Zero assets, so nothing to liquidate in court. "We have a winner"! Clean slate. You just went to college for free. You can't file chapter 7 again for 7 years, so the new credit card offers start to come in. They could set up walk up kiosks on campus to file chapter 7 the moment you graduate. What a world we live in.........
why is student debt any different than any other kind of debt? Do you want to repeal all the bankrutpcy laws? Go back to debtors prison? Loaning money is a risk. The banks loan the money and get rewards but assume no risk. What a world we live in......
 
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Hmmm so more brilliant ideas to jump start the economy, change the laws to help people who are underwater on their mortgages, to give them even more financial relief....how much more financial relief do consumers need, I mean enough is enough, between the trillions already spend to prop up the economy along with all the bailouts how much more does this economy need to get it back to where it was, this is why the economy is where it is today. They cant just sit back and let the free markets take care of it. Ever since this financial crisis began the only thing propping it up is trillions in worthless dollars BUBBLE ben has thrown into the system, thats the only thing this economy knows is worthless dollars.


The article seemed to me to present both sides of the argument.
 
Quote from trendy:

What makes student loans special? Its because the fucking tax payers have guaranteed these loans. Don't like the deal? Don't borrow the money.

If you are stupid enough to borrow 80k to get an art degree, then you deserve to be saddled with the debt. Yeah, nobody wants to take responsibility for their own actions these days. Screw them. Pay up assholes.

Yeah, nobody wants to take responsibility for their own actions these days...............NOT EVEN WALL STREET BANKERS. I'm certain wall street got a tax payer bailout right?
 
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Speaking of student loans, anyone see the returns of the Yale Harvard, etc endowments, well over 20 +%. No way any of that money is going to be used to reduce tuitiion costs.

Heh, you couldn't be more wrong.

"We do not consider home equity or retirement accounts as resources in our determination of a family contribution, and aid packages do not include any loans. A typical student may receive over $150,000 in Harvard scholarship assistance over four years and the majority of students receiving scholarship are able to graduate debt-free. Our program continues to be generous for students across the economic spectrum, with more than two thirds of those receiving scholarship assistance coming from families with incomes greater than $60,000."
http://www.fao.fas.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do

Same goes for Yale and the rest of the Ivy League. They don't give merit scholarships, only need-based aid and it comes from their endowments, all of it.
 
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Yeah, nobody wants to take responsibility for their own actions these days...............NOT EVEN WALL STREET BANKERS. I'm certain wall street got a tax payer bailout right?
ah my friend, your analysis is faulty. Students BORROW money so they CAN'T be bailed out. Wall street Bankers LOAN money so they CAN be bailed out. See the difference?
 
Quote from oldtime:

why is student debt any different than any other kind of debt? Do you want to repeal all the bankrutpcy laws? Go back to debtors prison? Loaning money is a risk. The banks loan the money and get rewards but assume no risk. What a world we live in......

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People complain about the credit markets being frozen. The fastest way to get things moving is to allow bankruptcies (i.e. to allow price discovery to occur). It gets people in over their head to be motivated to move on to the next thing (which is what you want). It forces lenders to be more prudent in their loans (which they so far haven't been). This leads to lower prices over time.

Jim Rogers remarked that one of the signs of a bottom being formed for an industry is a slew of bankruptcies.

Ideologies and double standards help no one (except for those with an ox in this fight).
 
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