Backwards Britain

Quote from AbPQuant:

For over 13 years, I have been trying to find a job in an Investment Bank or Asset Management firm with no success. I have been to numerous interviews always getting to second and sometimes third interview stages. For some reason they are always reluctant to take it to the next stage, like if one is not worthy to do such job. Like I should be in Sports or Music.

I graduate with an upper second class degree in Economics. This includes Mathematical modeling and Econometrics. In my second year at University, I bought books such as Chaos and Order in the Capital Markets (E Peters), Profiting from Chaos (T.Vega) etc, working papers, journals and magazines such as Futures, Stocks and Commodities etc. My final year Econometrics project was on the Capital Asset Pricing Model and Arbitrage Pricing Theory. I was successful in getting a place to study a Masters in Finance and Investment but couldn't secure funding.

I started looking for an Entry Level position, but I was to spend the next 4 years filling shelves in the supermarket. I continued looking for a job and doing my research but money was very tight and I had no support whatsoever as my family is not here.

I eventually got a job indexing business and political articles, but still wasn’t what I wanted to do.

My first big job interview disappointment was with Bloomberg. I got through the First interview and was invited for a second. The next few weeks were then spent waiting for a decision. I can't believe they could leave one hanging for three good weekends. I was waiting for them to decide my future.

The next disappointment was at UBS. At the first interview, the guy was very impress with my CV, telling me how he couldn't study Econometrics because he found it too difficult. I was invited for a second interview, where HR told me "we are likely to offer you the position". She was telling me how I had to log on into a website to fill in my details. She also told me I shouldn't worry if the contract arrived late. I was supposed to take a test and was told even if I didn't do too well I shouldn't worry. Now I was waiting for the call, but nothing. When I eventually got the call she was mentioning "other candidates”. We felt you were good but other candidate was more suited.

Last month I applied to Euronext Liffe for a Market Services Analyst position. The first interview was with two second Managers. Again I was invited for the second interview where I sat with some members of the various teams. At least two of them told me that with my knowledge the training should take less than normal. Shortly before Christmas I received a letter saying they wouldn't take me on because of my lack of market knowledge and customers services experience. I met at least three second managers. Didn't these idiots realize from my CV and the first interview that my market knowledge is below what they are looking for. I had wasted 1 1/2 days only for them to come back and insult me. “Lack of Market knowledge” that is very funny.

For the past 5 years I have worked for two financial information companies as a Data Analyst . I am currently earning £23,000 which to me is an under achievement. My parents have sponsored me, but know they have retired and I have to look after them and my younger siblings.

It's a new year and I just feel very sad. I hope my parents had gone to US or Canada instead of being born in a backwards country that values background more to talent. My friends who are in the US have all done very well for themselves, and they weren't even born in the US.

Yeah, there is trading, but when I open an account with £200; I know the odds are against me. I develop trading models in my own time.

I have been looking for a job as Data / Pricing Analyst or Static Data. This is where my work experiences lies, but I know I could do so much more.

I have worked so hard over the years but without the reward. This holiday was spent making more job applications. I really do not want to waste another year. I just need somebody to help me. I need to move forward in life.

Nice try.

You have come on to ET for one reason, and that is to scam people out of money.

Plead poverty and claim to have a good trading system but no money, hopeing someone will be gullible enough to fund you.

That money they will never see again.

You are probably one of those Nigerian 419 scammers.
 
Quote from Quiet1:

Dacker, hope you weren't being nasty...Did you mean to suggest trying F...rance instead? No don't think they've got many jobs there in finance...

AbPQuant - have you looked at doing the CQF? http://www.7city.com/cqf.php?area=quants&outline=cqf&course=cqf&oid=4

Even just part of it would show willing to an employer - or you could start it and use the fact that you're doing it to get interviews.

When you type "quant" into jobserve or monster.com do you actually have a good portion of the skills they want? If you don't then get started!

Finland!:D
 
Quote from Businessman:

Nice try.

You have come on to ET for one reason, and that is to scam people out of money.

Plead poverty and claim to have a good trading system but no money, hopeing someone will be gullible enough to fund you.

That money they will never see again.

You are probably one of those Nigerian 419 scammers.

doubtful.

if he were one and read the patterned day trader threads etc. he would run in the opposite direction
 
Quote from Businessman:

Nice try.

You have come on to ET for one reason, and that is to scam people out of money.

Plead poverty and claim to have a good trading system but no money, hopeing someone will be gullible enough to fund you.

That money they will never see again.

You are probably one of those Nigerian 419 scammers.

You quoted the whole comment and the best you came up with is Nigeria 419 scammers? What an idiot.This thread is not about donations or selling trading systems. It is about seeking job opportunities.

I have named some of the companies where I had interviews. They are not the only one, but the ones that stood out to have acted unprofessionally in my opinion.I am sure if they are reading this they will know who I am.

On this thread there have been some great comments and advice. This has been much appreciated.When I started this, I never knew George Soros went through the same.Some month ago in the FT there was article on such experience.

I do have a job in the city,working as a data analyst for a data vendor.It is not a well paid job and that is why I looking to investment banking or asset management for better opportunities.I not really looking for a job as a Trader or Quant.I think that opportunity have been missed.For the job adverts I have seen they require MSc or PhD for such role. If I am to study for a Masters , I will like to study Computational Finance or Financial Engineering. These course don't come cheap. I would rather use the funds for trading.I am looking for a job using my 5 years experience as a pricing specialist.

Now this is elite trader and not Ebay, people here are not stupid,(well ,but you).If anyone is going to fund a trading system, I am sure they wouldn't just give you the money.There will want to see your track record, and various stats on your trading system. My system is on collective2, i will only sell it if it going change my life.I am still improving it and I am happy with what I have done so far.

What I am looking for is a reasonable paid job mininum £27000.With this I will be able to pay my bills regular and have some money to trade my system.Once I have a track record then I can think of doing something with it,if that is what I choose to do.

My coming here is a way of networking.I have been comingto ET for over 2 years and a member for about a year.

So please take your stupidity and 419 nonsense off this thread .
 
Hmm, tough break kid.

Sounds like you have been fairly unfortunate in that you have been made a few false promises. HR stands for Human Remains by the way. However, the spectrum of jobs you have been applying for in the financial sphere is so wide that I suspect interviewers might have had a hard time believing you really wanted the specific role on offer.

I did a bit of grad recruitment recently. The ratio of candidates to positions was extremely high (it's so competitive now). We had to make some extremely difficult decisions between very able applicants that could easily have gone either way. This may have happened to you.

Despite all of that I don't feel sorry for you because you are so keen to blame the institutions involved, and even the country you are in, for your shortcomings.

Incidentally, as a few other posters have mentioned, the City of London is a very fair place with opportunities for anyone good enough to deserve them.
 
Quote from anomaly:


Despite all of that I don't feel sorry for you because you are so keen to blame the institutions involved, and even the country you are in, for your shortcomings.


Thanks for the comment, but I am not looking for someone to feel sorry for me.I am a British citizen trying to make something out of life.

The title of the thread is Backward Britain because of my experiences. I know how hard it was for me to get certain jobs, but once I got there you see people who think Paraguay is some kind of pain killer brand. It could be easier for some but it hasn't been for me.

I name the instututions because of unprofessional manner. With Euronext Liffe, I took one and a half days off work. If they had came back to sorry you do not have customer services experiences then I would say ok and move on, but to come up with something pathetic like "lack of market knowledge" is disgraceful.

Funny enough about two months after my UBS interview, I saw an e-mail at work from the manager who interviewed me for a few minutes. He was trying to solve a query which as been going back and forth. I could have been of great help if I had got the job at UBS. I would known who to approach to solve the problem. I could have even solved the problem. I am sure the successful candidate wasn't of much help here.

There have been so many stupid excuses. There are so many stories and I know others who have similar experiences.All one can do is to keep trying and in my case to also continue working on my trading system..

I love Britain. I like the innovation in the financial markets like spread betting binary bets etc. I like to be a part of it, but doors are not opening.

Thanks everyone for the comments.
 
Generally the interview processes at banks are pretty poor no matter how "thorough" they think they are. They are also pretty arrogant. The excercise of power over who joins a team and who doesn't is one of the few occasions where managers can exercise raw power these days - your experience of taking days off just to attend interviews and being knocked back on unconvincing reasons is absolutely normal in the City honestly.

I think the suggestion that someone gave of getting genuine candid feedback from someone on what it is about your interviews that means you don't get the job is worthwhile.

Do you appear too friendly or not friendly enough; do you appear to think you can make massive positive impacts on their business straight away (implying they are rubbish); do you drone on and on about what you do; do you give very short answers where the interview has to drag info from you; are you vague about your past, present or future; if challenged to you get defensive; have you ever failed any technical interview; how do you perform on psychometric tests; do you appear too keen and desperate; are your IT skills up to scratch; are you dismissive of any types of roles or people?

Do you really have no idea what it might be about your personality or behaviour that puts some of the interviewers off? Truly?

If you can do "so much more" in roles other than the one you're in why can't you show that same over-achievement in your current role? Most banks spend a lot of time and effort ensuring that all internal vacancies are known to people inside the bank and can be applied for, if only so that they can save on hiring fees. Have you applied internally for a new job before? If it didn't work out what was the reason?
 
Quote from AbPQuant:

Thanks for the comment, but I am not looking for someone to feel sorry for me.I am a British citizen trying to make something out of life.

The title of the thread is Backward Britain because of my experiences. I know how hard it was for me to get certain jobs, but once I got there you see people who think Paraguay is some kind of pain killer brand. It could be easier for some but it hasn't been for me.

I name the instututions because of unprofessional manner. With Euronext Liffe, I took one and a half days off work. If they had came back to sorry you do not have customer services experiences then I would say ok and move on, but to come up with something pathetic like "lack of market knowledge" is disgraceful.

Funny enough about two months after my UBS interview, I saw an e-mail at work from the manager who interviewed me for a few minutes. He was trying to solve a query which as been going back and forth. I could have been of great help if I had got the job at UBS. I would known who to approach to solve the problem. I could have even solved the problem. I am sure the successful candidate wasn't of much help here.

There have been so many stupid excuses. There are so many stories and I know others who have similar experiences.All one can do is to keep trying and in my case to also continue working on my trading system..

I love Britain. I like the innovation in the financial markets like spread betting binary bets etc. I like to be a part of it, but doors are not opening.

Thanks everyone for the comments.

In the states the ignorant think that canada is part of the US and that the state of new mexico is part of mexico.

have you tried to get a job as an assistant to a top trader?
 
Quote from zdreg:

have you tried to get a job as an assistant to a top trader?

This is the right idea as the conventional front door approach is clearly not working for you.

e.g. you might apply to be Ed Seykota's trading and programming assistant out at Lake Tahoe:

"I sometimes have space for an apprentice who wants to work hard in exchange for room and board."
http://www.seykota.com/tribe/FAQ/2006_Oct/17/index.htm

Stranger things have happened. :D

Persistence is one thing but repeating the same mistakes is foolish.
 
Quote from Quiet1:

Generally the interview processes at banks are pretty poor no matter how "thorough" they think they are. They are also pretty arrogant. The excercise of power over who joins a team and who doesn't is one of the few occasions where managers can exercise raw power these days - your experience of taking days off just to attend interviews and being knocked back on unconvincing reasons is absolutely normal in the City honestly.

I think the suggestion that someone gave of getting genuine candid feedback from someone on what it is about your interviews that means you don't get the job is worthwhile.

Do you appear too friendly or not friendly enough; do you appear to think you can make massive positive impacts on their business straight away (implying they are rubbish); do you drone on and on about what you do; do you give very short answers where the interview has to drag info from you; are you vague about your past, present or future; if challenged to you get defensive; have you ever failed any technical interview; how do you perform on psychometric tests; do you appear too keen and desperate; are your IT skills up to scratch; are you dismissive of any types of roles or people?

Do you really have no idea what it might be about your personality or behaviour that puts some of the interviewers off? Truly?

If you can do "so much more" in roles other than the one you're in why can't you show that same over-achievement in your current role? Most banks spend a lot of time and effort ensuring that all internal vacancies are known to people inside the bank and can be applied for, if only so that they can save on hiring fees. Have you applied internally for a new job before? If it didn't work out what was the reason?

Thanks for the comment. The only thing I can come up with is a fear of the unknown. I work for a data vendor and think my lack of work experience in an Investment bank might play a part. I have been applying to Northern Trust for over 2 years. In the job spec, they listed about 4 data vendors, 2 of of which are on CV. I would have thought that should at least get me a first interview. So the way I see it is either they are just posting on their website and not looking at the CV or they are looking for someone with a similar background.

Getting these jobs could be a life changing experience for me, but at interviews I am not arrogant nor do I appear desperate. I really do give it my very best. I personally don't think the problem lies here. The feedbacks I have received from the various recruitment consultants are positive.

I have applied internally with a bank. There was only one other candidate who went for the job. What I do know is she was in the same clique with the managers. The job was an analyst position using excel for data analysis. I came to the interview with colour charts and financial models. They were very impressed and probably was not expected this. She got the job. All they said was we are very impressed but you were not successful this time. They also printed another job spec, a job at another division and told me to apply for it.

This week I received 3 calls. One from an Investment Bank and 2 from recruitment consultants. All I can do is to learn from past experiences and continue applying. I am very aware of the competition but I do have lots to offer.
 
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