Backlash stirs in US against foreign worker visas

Maverick74 said:
No dude, you probably have not run a business before. For non skilled labor, sure, I'll take anyone. But for skilled labor? Come on man, there is no such thing as same skill and experience. No such thing even in this country. No two people have the same skill and experience for any job. That is why companies pay recruiters huge bucks to find skilled labor. If skilled labor was indifferent, recruiters would not exist. They exist because skill and experience are VERY hard to value.

Now if you are talking about running a credit card call center in India, well sure, fine. If you are talking about people working in some factory putting widgets together, fine. But skilled labor, hell no the CEO of a big company is going to hire some schmuck from Bangladesh to handle intellectual property that could be worth in the billions. Come on pal, let's keep this conversation serious.
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I hope you know that legal work is starting to be outsourced to india?
Also, skills look "unique" till someone finds a way to "commodotize" it - such as IT at the time, till india started to churn out 100 000s of it graduates per year.
Civil Engineering was also a very particular type of skills, till china started churning out 100 000s of civil engineers graduates per year.
 
Maverick74 said:
It means I don't have a fkucing clue what the hell you wrote.
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Thanks for explaining politely.

Basically what I am saying, is :
* a businessman can do whatever he wants in the business he works in - inlcuding hiring foreigners - as long as this is within the Law
* all the complainers and whiners can go and start up companies
and all the "politicos" complainers could also start siphoning their tax payers money to US start up.
* in case they complain tax payers money is no more: America is wasting billions funding wars in the Middle East. And how do we see it : from refugees ( including children who have lost their parents via bombings) who are exiled all over foreign countries.
 
smallStops said:
I hope you know that legal work is starting to be outsourced to india?
Also, skills look "unique" till someone finds a way to "commodotize" it - such as IT at the time, till india started to churn out 100 000s of it graduates per year.
Civil Engineering was also a very particular type of skills, till china started churning out 100 000s of civil engineers graduates per year.
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Dude, are you seriously going to tell me that IT is now suddenly skilled labor? IT jobs are THE lowest bottom of the barrel job in most corporations today. Hell most secretaries have more skills today then IT people. And legal? As in paralegal? LOL. OK, I guess to a guy working at a taco stand, paralegals and IT jobs are seen as dream jobs but come on. LOL.
 
smallStops said:
Thanks for explaining politely.

Basically what I am saying, is :
* a businessman can do whatever he wants in the business he works in - inlcuding hiring foreigners - as long as this is within the Law
* all the complainers and whiners can go and start up companies
and all the "politicos" complainers could also start siphoning their tax payers money to US start up.
* in case they complain tax payers money is no more: America is wasting billions funding wars in the Middle East. And how do we see it : from refugees ( including children) who are exiled all over foreign countries.
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Businessman can do whatever he wants? Not in this country he can't. He has shareholders and a board to answer to. Come on buddy, are you still in high school, you are very naive. I'm not sure what fairyland you are describing here, but it ain't this country.
 
Maverick74 said:
No dude, you probably have not run a business before. For non skilled labor, sure, I'll take anyone. But for skilled labor? Come on man, there is no such thing as same skill and experience. No such thing even in this country. No two people have the same skill and experience for any job. That is why companies pay recruiters huge bucks to find skilled labor. If skilled labor was indifferent, recruiters would not exist. They exist because skill and experience are VERY hard to value.

Now if you are talking about running a credit card call center in India, well sure, fine. If you are talking about people working in some factory putting widgets together, fine. But skilled labor, hell no the CEO of a big company is going to hire some schmuck from Bangladesh to handle intellectual property that could be worth in the billions. Come on pal, let's keep this conversation serious.
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First of all don't call me "Dude", it shows a lack of civility to the most outrageous degree.

And secondly, spare ET members your extremely racist remarks, like "some schmuck from Bangladesh".

I have no desire to continue this conversation with you anymore, Sir.
 
xelite777 said:
First of all don't call me "Dude", it shows a lack of civility to the most outrageous degree.

And secondly, spare ET members your extremely racist remarks, like "some schmuck from Bangladesh".
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Non sequitur. Shit or get off the pot.
 
Maverick74 said:
Businessman can do whatever he wants? Not in this country he can't. He has shareholders and a board to answer to. Come on buddy, are you still in high school, you are very naive. I'm not sure what fairyland you are describing here, but it ain't this country.
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Who owns most of the shares ? Not Joe Public.
You might say pension funds. But who run most of the pension funds?
Do you know how much pension funds have lost?

So again, politicos STOP wasting US tax payers money into funding wars in the Middle East : use this money to finance start up in America and your job problems will be sorted.
Are you against not funding wars in the Middles East?
Do you know that the consequences of war there mean kids who lose their parents because of bombs and are taken "care" overseas by compassionate people?
 
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