That video left out one huge Arabic invention. A_person was also incorrect in saying that there hasn't been any inventions by arabs in the last 1000 years. Just this century the arabs came up with what is probably their biggest invention ever. That is, of course, the invention of the Palestinian people. I don't know why this video left this landmark invention off the list...
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Back to the golden Age.
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Israel supporters seem to think that others are gullible enough that repeating lies would lead to erasing the truth.
Every human on earth (Israel supporters included) knows that Israel stole the lands of Palestinians. It is an absolute truth that would never be erased, because truth always prevails.
Every human on earth (Israel supporters included) knows that Israel stole the lands of Palestinians. It is an absolute truth that would never be erased, because truth always prevails.
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Israel supporters seem to think that others are gullible enough that repeating lies would lead to erasing the truth.
Every human on earth (Israel supporters included) knows that Israel stole the lands of Palestinians. It is an absolute truth that would never be erased, because truth always prevails.
I don't know about that but , trying to steal someone's land in a war and ending up losing your own kinda seems fair to me.
Bullshit. The palestinians fled the "lands" (few square miles) in a war in which they initiated against Israel. They attacked, started getting their asses kicked, and fled in fear, thinking they'd soon return on the backs of other arab armies. The fact is they lost the war, and hence their lands which they abandoned in the war that they initiated. The other lands, they still have to this day. If Israel wanted to take those, guess what, THEY COULD! They haven't because they don't want to... If Israel wanted all the Palestenians all dead or gone, guess what, THEY COULD ACCOMPLISH THAT EASILY. They are all there and alive because Israel doesn't want to kill them. THAT is the truth, and that is has prevailed. Get used to it bitch.
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That video left out one huge Arabic invention. A_person was also incorrect in saying that there hasn't been any inventions by arabs in the last 1000 years. Just this century the arabs came up with what is probably their biggest invention ever. That is, of course, the invention of the Palestinian people. I don't know why this video left this landmark invention off the list...
Nonsense. two peoples populated the land, one of them got Jordan and half of the remaining land, the other people got a very small piece of land (0.2% of the region, half of which was an uninhabitable desert) too and called it Israel. The second group was happy, the first wanted it all. All arab landowners who stayed and did not join Israel's enemies got to keep their land and property and they together with their descendants are now citizens of the only western, prosperous democracy in the region. Of course for those who joined the enemy forces against their own country the bets were off.Quote from tradingjournals:
Every human on earth (Israel supporters included) knows that Israel stole the lands of Palestinians. It is an absolute truth that would never be erased, because truth always prevails.
Let alone the fact that the land was stolen from the Jews 2000 years ago and to the best of my knowledge there is no official statute of limitations. If arabs who were not born in Israel and never set foot there are considered refugees, so are all the jews on the planet.
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don't get me wrong, the arabs have gotten a shit deal no question about that however, the arabs, middle easterners muslims whatever you want to call them do absolutely nothing to improve their own situation.
To sum it up, improving yourself under occupation where you have a force keen on undermining and destroying every progress you achieve is impossible. There are many present day examples of how the occupiers intentionally work on destroying your economy and everything you build, steal your resources and land, sever your mobility and impose chocking siege on you.
You migrate to other countries and expect for people to assimilate to muslim culture not vice versa. The world is supposed to cater to your needs like children who need to be coddled.
You are wrong again John, Have you gone to, say the Persian Gulf Arab states? Have you gone to UAE? Bahrain? Qatar? Kuwait? Have you gone to Jordan? Did any of these countries asked non Muslims to assimilate? Where do you guys come up with that shit from? Holly Fuck man! The Zionists are counting on the fact that you are the most immobile nation on earth, you draw your conclusion of the outside world from your own media which is predominantly Zionist controlled. Pick up a passport and travel to these countries that you so do not know anything about and see which one of us is lying, your media or I!!
They are slaves to their religion and the world has simply passed you by and you are mad about it and instead of doing something you blame everyone else.
Some of us are, but the vast majority is overwhelmed with despair. Despair when they look in the streets of Egypt and see 2,000,000 security forces personal ready to crush them at any second if they oppose the government that is backed by the US. Despair when they look in the streets of any major city in Saudi Arabia and see similar forces under the guise of Islam (Al Amr Bel Ma'arouf Wal Nahi An al Munkar Forces), carrying the same agenda of the Egyptian forces in protecting a government backed by the US.
Despair how you have destroyed a whole country for the Zionist's eyes. Despair when they see Gates coming to the Middle East and INSTRUCTING the Arab Sheiks to foot out 4.3 trillion dollars to bail out the American economy while more than 50% of the Arab population is under the poverty line. Despair when you see Palestine and Iraq occupied, their people occupied and their resources stolen.
Islam is not the issue! The Zionists convinced you that it was so that you will not seek he harder answer of who the Middle East is the way it is.
and you know what? At some point in time NEARLY EVERY people, country group, culture whatever has been slaughtered or colonized or enslaved. The problem is that those in the middle east cannot get past it and move forward.
Move forward to where? Do you mean carry on with our lives while you occupy us and spread death amongst us? Go around your check points and walls and siege and intentional starvation of a whole nation? Sure, we will do that! By the way, do you have any cake to eat John?
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Quote from John_Wensink:
don't get me wrong, the arabs have gotten a shit deal no question about that however, the arabs, middle easterners muslims whatever you want to call them do absolutely nothing to improve their own situation.
To sum it up, improving yourself under occupation where you have a force keen on undermining and destroying every progress you achieve is impossible. There are many present day examples of how the occupiers intentionally work on destroying your economy and everything you build, steal your resources and land, sever your mobility and impose chocking siege on you.
You migrate to other countries and expect for people to assimilate to muslim culture not vice versa. The world is supposed to cater to your needs like children who need to be coddled.
You are wrong again John, Have you gone to, say the Persian Gulf Arab states? Have you gone to UAE? Bahrain? Qatar? Kuwait? Have you gone to Jordan? Did any of these countries asked non Muslims to assimilate? Where do you guys come up with that shit from? Holly Fuck man! The Zionists are counting on the fact that you are the most immobile nation on earth, you draw your conclusion of the outside world from your own media which is predominantly Zionist controlled. Pick up a passport and travel to these countries that you so do not know anything about and see which one of us is lying, your media or I!!
They are slaves to their religion and the world has simply passed you by and you are mad about it and instead of doing something you blame everyone else.
Some of us are, but the vast majority is overwhelmed with despair. Despair when they look in the streets of Egypt and see 2,000,000 security forces personal ready to crush them at any second if they oppose the government that is backed by the US. Despair when they look in the streets of any major city in Saudi Arabia and see similar forces under the guise of Islam (Al Amr Bel Ma'arouf Wal Nahi An al Munkar Forces), carrying the same agenda of the Egyptian forces in protecting a government backed by the US.
Despair how you have destroyed a whole country for the Zionist's eyes. Despair when they see Gates coming to the Middle East and INSTRUCTING the Arab Sheiks to foot out 4.3 trillion dollars to bail out the American economy while more than 50% of the Arab population is under the poverty line. Despair when you see Palestine and Iraq occupied, their people occupied and their resources stolen.
Islam is not the issue! The Zionists convinced you that it was so that you will not seek he harder answer of who the Middle East is the way it is.
and you know what? At some point in time NEARLY EVERY people, country group, culture whatever has been slaughtered or colonized or enslaved. The problem is that those in the middle east cannot get past it and move forward.
Move forward to where? Do you mean carry on with our lives while you occupy us and spread death amongst us? Go around your check points and walls and siege and intentional starvation of a whole nation? Sure, we will do that! By the way, do you have any cake to eat John?
So let'ss use your example of the UAE of progress.
Please tell me what the UAE or any other muslim nation has contributed to society in the last 400 years.
Better yet, not the UAE just one muslim contribution in the last 400 years.
Can you give me one example of a contribution from an arab, islamc society in the last 400 years.
Please provide just one fucking example of something your people have given the rest of the world.
useless.
Please tell me what the UAE or any other muslim nation has contributed to society in the last 400 years.
Better yet, not the UAE just one muslim contribution in the last 400 years.
Can you give me one example of a contribution from an arab, islamc society in the last 400 years.
Please provide just one fucking example of something your people have given the rest of the world.
useless.
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Quote from John_Wensink:
don't get me wrong, the arabs have gotten a shit deal no question about that however, the arabs, middle easterners muslims whatever you want to call them do absolutely nothing to improve their own situation.
To sum it up, improving yourself under occupation where you have a force keen on undermining and destroying every progress you achieve is impossible. There are many present day examples of how the occupiers intentionally work on destroying your economy and everything you build, steal your resources and land, sever your mobility and impose chocking siege on you.
You migrate to other countries and expect for people to assimilate to muslim culture not vice versa. The world is supposed to cater to your needs like children who need to be coddled.
You are wrong again John, Have you gone to, say the Persian Gulf Arab states? Have you gone to UAE? Bahrain? Qatar? Kuwait? Have you gone to Jordan? Did any of these countries asked non Muslims to assimilate? Where do you guys come up with that shit from? Holly Fuck man! The Zionists are counting on the fact that you are the most immobile nation on earth, you draw your conclusion of the outside world from your own media which is predominantly Zionist controlled. Pick up a passport and travel to these countries that you so do not know anything about and see which one of us is lying, your media or I!!
They are slaves to their religion and the world has simply passed you by and you are mad about it and instead of doing something you blame everyone else.
Some of us are, but the vast majority is overwhelmed with despair. Despair when they look in the streets of Egypt and see 2,000,000 security forces personal ready to crush them at any second if they oppose the government that is backed by the US. Despair when they look in the streets of any major city in Saudi Arabia and see similar forces under the guise of Islam (Al Amr Bel Ma'arouf Wal Nahi An al Munkar Forces), carrying the same agenda of the Egyptian forces in protecting a government backed by the US.
Despair how you have destroyed a whole country for the Zionist's eyes. Despair when they see Gates coming to the Middle East and INSTRUCTING the Arab Sheiks to foot out 4.3 trillion dollars to bail out the American economy while more than 50% of the Arab population is under the poverty line. Despair when you see Palestine and Iraq occupied, their people occupied and their resources stolen.
Islam is not the issue! The Zionists convinced you that it was so that you will not seek he harder answer of who the Middle East is the way it is.
and you know what? At some point in time NEARLY EVERY people, country group, culture whatever has been slaughtered or colonized or enslaved. The problem is that those in the middle east cannot get past it and move forward.
Move forward to where? Do you mean carry on with our lives while you occupy us and spread death amongst us? Go around your check points and walls and siege and intentional starvation of a whole nation? Sure, we will do that! By the way, do you have any cake to eat John?
We can agree that certain influential elements within the Muslim/Arab world are scientifically backwards. These elements has made certain aspects of Muslim/Arab culture backwards. It has not been like this for the past 1000 years, and it will probably not be like this for too much longer (which of course is your greatest fear). Putting an exact date on when cultural decline started is impossible, since both the Muslim world and the Arab world are far more complex and varied than you seem to understand.Quote from a_person:
Great post destroyer, in other words we can basically agree that Muslims/Arabs are now culturally and scientifically backward (this is what the highlighted statement in your quote clearly implies), that while they made certain contribution to the world centuries ago they have had no positive achievements in the last 1000 years or so and the title of the thread 'Back to the golden Age' is hardly appropriate, 'Stuck in the 7th century and proud of inventing zero and coffee a millennium ago' reflects the essence of this thread and the status of the Islamic world much more accurately.
Nobody has claimed the Muslims or Arabs invented the zero. The Babylonians, who are ancestors of the Iraqis, invented the positional notation (one of two ingenious characteristic of the system, the other being the implementation of the zero). The Muslims inherited the notation and adopted the zero from the Hindus and they put the system to large scale use. In Arabic the Hindu-Arabic numeral system is called Hindu Numerals. Also the Muslims did invent more than coffee. Here's some more information:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventions_in_medieval_Islam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_in_medieval_Islam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_contributions_to_Medieval_Europe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Muslim_scientists_and_engineers
This concerns only the period that's called the Islamic golden age. If we were to play your game of "what race is best", we'd have to expand the debate to include all contributions made by peoples who are ancestors of people called Arabs today. Like civilization, to name one thing.