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Quote from Capablanca:

The credit card debt contracts are designed to be obscure and not clear. The debtors aren't free of guilt to be sure but I don't see why people should have much sympathy for the creditors.
Don't get me wrong, i have zero sympathy for them. You're right though, they are damn obscure and vague.
 
Quote from Capablanca:
Not a shame as much as a sham.

Truth is though if you aren't capable of paying each monthly balance in FULL you probably shouldn't be using a credit card.

But you do have a point. The rules surrounding credit card debt are a travesty. One needs to run a very tight ship not to run afoul of the arbitrary rules the credit card companies have. Most people are not that diligent and the credit card companies take advantage of it.

Now in the distant past I might have been willing to buy the argument that it's not really the credit card companies' fault because if credit cards are so bad people should simply stop using them. But no longer. When people are discriminated against for NOT using credit cards you know the system is f***** up. New regulations are being implemented and further regulations are probably required. People should have been complaining about this invasion and coercion of their personal finances long ago.
Yes. When I ‘m done with this mess, I’ll know to pay it off every month or have cash in case they change the terms.

There’s nothing wrong with what credit cards offer. It’s a line of credit that people have open in case they want to use it. But yes, now its turned into an entrapment tool. The Fed passed regulation recently curtailing these practices, but it doesn’t go into effect for at least a year. Between then and now, every person who has a credit card will probably have their terms changed. The CC company’s are going to make sure that they jack everybody’s rates before it’s too late.

Google this. I am not the only one. Congress knows about this and tried to get something passed, but of course they never get anything accomplished.
 
Quote from matgallis:
Firstly, You do have a contract with those companies who do hold your revolving debt. What you failed to notice while signing your contract, was the varability within the contract interest rate. Hence the comparision to those ARM holders. 8.99% fixed ONLY holds if a plethrea of conditions are met and held. Ask for your contract and read the 5-6 pages of fine print. I do know what im talking about because i've held multiple credit cards through various issuers and have paid very very little interest since i've got them (<4%).
This was no arm. I have the original papers. There were no conditions that needed to be met or held, they just reserved the right to change the terms for any reason and at any time. This is just common sense. You expect that if you pay the bill on time and don’t go over the credit limit, that they are not going screw you like this. So when BAC and hopefully JPM go under, you can bet I’ll be happy.
Quote from matgallis:
Secondly, you ARE irresponsible! You can only pay your interest? Come on what were you buying with that credit card and with what expectations? Grab that fleshy poutch between your thighs and pay off your card! You are right, you were screwed. But who's fault is that, and who has to pay for it? Man up
Ok, let me explain this to you like I would a 3rd grader, because clearly that’s where your intelligence level is at. If I’m paying $300 a month, and under the old contract I pay $50 a month in interest, that means $250 is being paid toward principle. So eventually the balance will get paid off. Under the revised contract, out of $300, $250 goes to interest and $50 to principle. So the balance will never get paid off until I increase the payment. So I can pay more than the interest, but they won’t let me because they keep changing the interest rate.

I took out the credit to start a business (sorry to dissapoint you, I’m sure you thought it was to buy a big screen tv). Unfortunately it didn’t work out. Throughout the whole time until now, I have had perfect payment history. You’re acting like I should be punished for something I did wrong. I took out a loan. You know, something people have been doing for thousands of years. How about we triple everybody’s mortgage? I know, you can get your own little gig on Dr. Phil yelling at people for taking out mortgages. You can scream at them and tell them to man up pay those outrageous rates even though they agreed to something entirely different.

I know your type. You probably sit at home listening to Sean Hannity and can’t figure out why somebody would ever vote for Obama. When people talk about issues and corporate greed, you start ranting and raving about illogical crap. You can't possible phathom that your little precious corporations are screwing people and then turning around and asking for bailouts.
 
Quote from Capablanca:
The credit card debt contracts are designed to be obscure and not clear. The debtors aren't free of guilt to be sure but I don't see why people should have much sympathy for the creditors.
He probably bought BAC at $50 and got his last margin call on Friday!
 
http://www.creditcardassist.com/switchingcreditcards-article017.html

Stephan, try again to transfer your balance to a lower rate. Ok, you have made your payment in the past but your cc company raise your interest anyway. So you will not get out of the debt because now you pay mostly interest to them and principle keep going forward. That is the game for them. Now you play. Yes, it is legal what they do, but it is bad business practice. But remember you have a big balance of money that another cc company would like to compete for. Another company would like to make money from you, and they will compete for your money by giving you lower interest rate. So in this time of your life, you have to put building a business on the side, and get your debt paid. So do that first, and you get away from your stress of debt, and you start again with understanding how credit card companys work, and you are smarter now. Go look at the link. Someone will take your debt at lower rate.
 
Quote from Sandybestdog:

This was no arm. I have the original papers. There were no conditions that needed to be met or held, they just reserved the right to change the terms for any reason and at any time. This is just common sense. You expect that if you pay the bill on time and don�t go over the credit limit, that they are not going screw you like this. So when BAC and hopefully JPM go under, you can bet I�ll be happy.

Ok, let me explain this to you like I would a 3rd grader, because clearly that�s where your intelligence level is at. If I�m paying $300 a month, and under the old contract I pay $50 a month in interest, that means $250 is being paid toward principle. So eventually the balance will get paid off. Under the revised contract, out of $300, $250 goes to interest and $50 to principle. So the balance will never get paid off until I increase the payment. So I can pay more than the interest, but they won�t let me because they keep changing the interest rate.

I took out the credit to start a business (sorry to dissapoint you, I�m sure you thought it was to buy a big screen tv). Unfortunately it didn�t work out. Throughout the whole time until now, I have had perfect payment history. You�re acting like I should be punished for something I did wrong. I took out a loan. You know, something people have been doing for thousands of years. How about we triple everybody�s mortgage? I know, you can get your own little gig on Dr. Phil yelling at people for taking out mortgages. You can scream at them and tell them to man up pay those outrageous rates even though they agreed to something entirely different.

I know your type. You probably sit at home listening to Sean Hannity and can�t figure out why somebody would ever vote for Obama. When people talk about issues and corporate greed, you start ranting and raving about illogical crap. You can't possible phathom that your little precious corporations are screwing people and then turning around and asking for bailouts.

You failed in business, heavily burdened yourself in debt within the process? You're right I am illogical and a posses the intelligence of a 3rd grader.

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Stephan, you feel like victim of cc company, but look at it in a different way. Look at your debt as asset to someone else. Now you hold a debt that cc company want. You have leverage now because cc companys have many people who default. But you have no history of default, but have debt. So you want a lower interest rate to exchange for your business, and cc company would like the business of someone who has history of no default, but has some debt. And you can make the cc company you have now lose your business because they change the terms of the game. They bet you will stay and keep paying them, you prove them wrong. They lose.
 
Quote from matgallis:

You failed in business, heavily burdened yourself in debt within the process? You're right I am illogical and a posses the intelligence of a 3rd grader.

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matgallis:

Have you ever owned a business? Have you ever started one? Probably not...

2 out of every 5 businesses fail during startup. :eek:

From there, failure rates go up based on the exact industry the business is in.

Owning, starting, and running a business is F@#$ing hard.

MOST ENTREPRENEURS FAIL!

And they continue to fail until they finally hit it big -- or give up...

It is not like he is not making his payments.

Hell, if he wanted to , he could have just stopped paying them, defaulted on the balance, and then negotiate with the collectors for better terms (collectors are under so much stress right now that they WILL negotiate).

He is making payments. :D

He is just angry at the change in payment that is going on, AND the fact that these companies are ALLOWED to get away with it and now use our tax dollars to subsidize it

I WISH the fed would have given BAC the loan to buy MER with a variable 22% APR

The day that the JPMs, BACs, and Cs of the world go down -- you know, the banks that shit on their own customers --will be a great day indeed...:D

Oh wait. I'm sorry. They almost did, until our bought and paid for stooges in DC agreed to bail them out.

Let the shitting on your customer experience continue...
 
Quote from Sandybestdog:

My credit score was over 720 when they raised the rate. This has nothing to do with credit scores. They are targeting people who they think they can screw. They aren’t going to do this to people who will immediately pay off the balance. Now, almost my entire minimum payment goes to interest.

So basically credit cards are ceasing to exist as a legitimate way to keep a credit line open because as soon as you decide to use it, they will change the terms on you. What a shame.

The cc company has figured out that you are a high risk debtor and therefore is trying to get as much out of you now before you go bust and cant pay anything.
Basically they think you will stop payments anyway.If paying the minimum means never paying off the principle and you have no foreseeable way of paying that off you should stop wasting your money and stop payments.Whats the point?Declare chap 11 and wait 7 yrs.Currently you have so-so credit that will never get better and you will be in debt for the rest of your life if you pay minimum payments.Doesnt make sense to pay.
I know somebody who didnt declare chap 11 but just stopped cc payments and after 7 yrs they had a great credit score and were receiving cc applications.
The whole banking system is a sham that has fked the country good.If you want to be dutiful to them that is your choice.Maybe you should call them up and tell them you will pay the principle in installments or a lump sum and be done with it.
 
Quote from dsq:

The cc company has figured out that you are a high risk debtor and therefore is trying to get as much out of you now before you go bust and cant pay anything.
Basically they think you will stop payments anyway.If paying the minimum means never paying off the principle and you have no foreseeable way of paying that off you should stop wasting your money and stop payments.Whats the point?Declare chap 11 and wait 7 yrs.Currently you have so-so credit that will never get better and you will be in debt for the rest of your life if you pay minimum payments.Doesnt make sense to pay.
I know somebody who didnt declare chap 11 but just stopped cc payments and after 7 yrs they had a great credit score and were receiving cc applications.
The whole banking system is a sham that has fked the country good.If you want to be dutiful to them that is your choice.Maybe you should call them up and tell them you will pay the principle in installments or a lump sum and be done with it.
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dsq, if sandybestdog once made his payments with much of the payment going to the principle, he was not a high risk when he had lower interest. So I think the cc company see sandybestdog as able to make principal payments, so they try to get more from him by raising his interest rate because he is good customer with low risk at one time. And they get very greedy and try to put sandybestdog in the corner by raising rates to keep him paying longer and keep him in debt. Sandybestdog has to sell his debt to someone else becasue his first cc company price themself out of the market with greed. And sandybestdog can keep his good credit with no bankrupcy, and start again.
 
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