Baby taken from parents who wanted 2nd doctor's opinion

Quote from Ricter:

Freedom and safety are a tradeoff.

Carrying a gun in the hood provides freedom and safety but ends there because of one minor detail - "The man".

On the flip side, whose freedom and safety are we toiking about when we arrest someone with 10 priors?

Freedom and safety are an illusion.
 
Quote from nutmeg:

It's pretty cut and dried. They took the baby without a proper discharge from the first hospital. The Drs are mandated reporters and are required to notify CPS of the baby not being properly discharged.

No matter what happened next the chain of events are in place from the first hospital. If CPS has concerns they ask for police to accompany them.

It is in your best interest to talk to CPS otherwise they err on the side of caution and remove the child till the matter is settled.

Although hospital number 2 discharged the baby properly and safe to go home with parents. The liability of hospital number 1 has to be resolved.

You didn't read all the article, obviously. The hospital claimed that the couple was subjecting the infant to "serious neglect". The police showed up and threw the man against the wall without any explanation, taking his keys from his pocket and then entering the house without any warrant or anything else, telling the mother "I'm going to take your baby, don't try to stop me". It's on fucking film, dude. Is that the best way to handle this, even making the wild assumption that CPS is in the right?

As for taking the baby, it's their baby. If they refuse treatment, that's their right to seek treatment elsewhere. If they were guilty of neglect, they'd never have shown up at the hospital seeking care in the first place!
 
I didn't watch the video. Re "Serious neglect" I'm not surprised. As far as the events with the police, we don't know what words and actions that transpired before the police were involved or what or how CPS felt threatened and we will never know.

This may have not been the parents first involvment with CPS or the police, or hospital etc...
 
Quote from Tsing Tao:

You didn't read all the article, obviously. The hospital claimed that the couple was subjecting the infant to "serious neglect". The police showed up and threw the man against the wall without any explanation, taking his keys from his pocket and then entering the house without any warrant or anything else, telling the mother "I'm going to take your baby, don't try to stop me". It's on fucking film, dude. Is that the best way to handle this, even making the wild assumption that CPS is in the right?

As for taking the baby, it's their baby. If they refuse treatment, that's their right to seek treatment elsewhere. If they were guilty of neglect, they'd never have shown up at the hospital seeking care in the first place!

Exactly.
 
Quote from Tsing Tao:

As for taking the baby, it's their baby. If they refuse treatment, that's their right to seek treatment elsewhere. If they were guilty of neglect, they'd never have shown up at the hospital seeking care in the first place!

I would have asked hospital #1 to discharge and transport the baby (by ambulance) to another facility.
 
Quote from Lucrum:

Yet another instance of a dumb fuck bureaucrat presuming to know what's better for us than we do. AND the local <s>police</s> Gestapo assisting in denying individual rights without cause or process.



And we have many here who want MORE government control over our lives.

I doubt they actually want more government "CONTROL"... what they really want is more MONEY/BENEFITS from the government. That such benefits come from the pocket of other citizens is not a concern.
 
Quote from nutmeg:

I would have asked hospital #1 to discharge and transport the baby (by ambulance) to another facility.
That undoubtedly have worked out better. Still I don't think it should be a crime to check yourself or your baby out of a hospital.
 
Quote from nutmeg:

I didn't watch the video. Re "Serious neglect" I'm not surprised. As far as the events with the police, we don't know what words and actions that transpired before the police were involved or what or how CPS felt threatened and we will never know.

This may have not been the parents first involvment with CPS or the police, or hospital etc...

Stop. If there had been a previous "engagement" with the police or the CPS, it would have come out in the many news agencies that reported on the incident. Watch the video.
 
Quote from Ricter:

Freedom and safety are a tradeoff. Some people want more freedom than safety and other people want more safety than freedom. Is either person wrong (assuming neither is an extremist)?

Edit: a police state is clearly too far one way, and you, perhaps feeling freedom deprived, naturally feel we're close to a police state now.
The problem is people like you who cheerlead for more safety are not correct it's just the illusion of safety.

It's like going to school every day not being told you are wrong, getting pats on the back cause of your skin color, getting into school based on affirmative action cause you're a bright lil monkey (for your skin tone) while all around you are getting perks and unearned subsidies in EVERY facet of their life. Then one day someone points at you and says RCG when are you going to quit blaming your cultures failures on the "man" when your whole existence is dependent upon us?
 
Quote from Lucrum:

That undoubtedly have worked out better. Still I don't think it should be a crime to check yourself or your baby out of a hospital.
Of course that would only happen if the Dr in hosp #1 agreed to that besides there's that $700 ambulance ride that's out of pocket.

Somehow I doubt they knew their choices were cough up 700$ for a stupid ambulance ride or have their child kidnapped by police.

What people are missing here is MD's are very sensitive/ vindictive about anyone questioning their authority/diagnosis.

Honestly some of these bozos make a toddler's temper tantrum seem rational.

Look at the lengths rcg will go to lie and obfuscate an error here (where there's virtually no cost to admitting you're wrong).

Now do you think that MD was going to facilitate getting a second opinion? I venture he knew there was a large possibility another MD would say the child is fine to go home.
 
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