Automated Trading - FAQs

I`m talking about any time series.Market data is the whole different story.

Order book will suffice.Does the order book need time series?If i want to look,for e.g.,for 264785836556973 block size,do i need data series?

You understand that order book is smoke and mirrors right? No self respecting trader will let you know through order book what his intention are. Do you see any information in publicly available order book that others don't?
 
Let's get our definitions straight. So that we all speak the same language.

MW dictionary defines a times series as:
: a set of data collected sequentially usually at fixed intervals of time.

Oxford dictionary provides this definition:
A series of values of a quantity obtained at successive times, often with equal intervals between them


All market data is a time series. Whether we are talking about a tradelist, orderbook, financial statements... it all becomes available as time moves fwd and can be sorted by timestamps. (it is obtained at successive times).

taking this definition into account, please explain what you mean when you speak of using no time series?


http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/time-series
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/time series

What i mean by using no time series is exactly that:

"You can produce signals based on a single snapshot, but those signals are based on past knowledge".

I do realize that the snippet is averaged over the fixed period,hence the data series still used.But i`m still wondering,if there is a way to discrad that fixed data series.I guess i`m talking about some 'impuls' or 'anomaly' or 'random' signals,and what we all unknowingly are searching for.I still believe it is hard(but possible) to achieve something with the fixed data series.
 
You understand that order book is smoke and mirrors right? No self respecting trader will let you know through order book what his intention are. Do you see any information in publicly available order book that others don't?

Sufficient enough to understan how pull and add is done.I do have a meaning how it`s done.I`m doing it myself.
 
8) Except for some very narrow cases, automation doesn't free you from the monitor. Most exchanges require automated strategies to be monitored at all times. Not a big deal at first. More of a headache down the road. I view automation as an easy way to make money on the obvious stuff across lots of products.

Or did you mean the Entropy law,so any closed system without interference will eventually fail ?:D
 
All trading systems work around the time series of market data, and they seek to make probabilistic forecasts on the future data using present and past data from 1 or more sources.

this is true for any trading system, whether it is manually traded or automated...
Hi Jack,

I am very much aware of the fractal nature of market data, and the relative information contained in the order book and tape vs the chart. thnx.
how about we stick to the threads subject and narrow down the conversation around automated trading systems?

The highest performing automated trading systems do not deal in the realm of vs (this versus that).

As a designer/developer progresses he keeps narrowing the automated trading system focus to making timely decisions and taking timely actions.

This divorces him from the consideration of future data, forecasting, and the use of probability.

All data is past data.

All automated trading systems perform best when they provide information in the Present.

this information set must be certain ay all times as the future moves into the Present.

The main topic and forcefulness of an automated trading system is supplying a COMPLETE systemic CONTEXT of the market traded.

The building blocks that are combined to always SUPPLY this CONTEXTUAL CERTAINTY come from using a complete system of operation of the markets. All the building blocks are contained therein.

For me, my work performs by avoiding having a time series orientation, avoiding dealing in forecasting, prediction and probabilities. So my comments are inferior to yours from your viewpoint. I chose to work scientifically using the Scientific Method and it's requirement of deducing and avoiding induction in reasoning.

Volume is the leading indicator of Price according the tenants of mathematics and science.

In the trading world, the final judging of performance of automated trading systems comes down to the extraction money velocity. I compare my ATS performance to the market's offer. This means I make a multiple of the ATR. Certainly, ATS's based on periodic functions do the same; but it not necessary to connect a time series directly from market data to do this. The main reason is the form of the market data. Market data cannot be processes as continuous functions. All market data comes under the general heading of finite math.
 
You understand that order book is smoke and mirrors right? No self respecting trader will let you know through order book what his intention are. Do you see any information in publicly available order book that others don't?


yes.
 
The highest performing automated trading systems do not deal in the realm of vs (this versus that).

As a designer/developer progresses he keeps narrowing the automated trading system focus to making timely decisions and taking timely actions.

This divorces him from the consideration of future data, forecasting, and the use of probability.

All data is past data.

All automated trading systems perform best when they provide information in the Present.

this information set must be certain ay all times as the future moves into the Present.

The main topic and forcefulness of an automated trading system is supplying a COMPLETE systemic CONTEXT of the market traded.

The building blocks that are combined to always SUPPLY this CONTEXTUAL CERTAINTY come from using a complete system of operation of the markets. All the building blocks are contained therein.

For me, my work performs by avoiding having a time series orientation, avoiding dealing in forecasting, prediction and probabilities. So my comments are inferior to yours from your viewpoint. I chose to work scientifically using the Scientific Method and it's requirement of deducing and avoiding induction in reasoning.

Volume is the leading indicator of Price according the tenants of mathematics and science.

In the trading world, the final judging of performance of automated trading systems comes down to the extraction money velocity. I compare my ATS performance to the market's offer. This means I make a multiple of the ATR. Certainly, ATS's based on periodic functions do the same; but it not necessary to connect a time series directly from market data to do this. The main reason is the form of the market data. Market data cannot be processes as continuous functions. All market data comes under the general heading of finite math.

There are bad examples of deduction in science when theory and hypothesis are formulated first and if the observations do not fit the theory then instead of discarding the theory the data is being made it fit or simply ignored. This applies to trading as well other than trading is hardly science.

On that note could you point to any convincing evidence that volume is the leading indicator of price?
 
There are bad examples of deduction in science when theory and hypothesis are formulated first and if the observations do not fit the theory then instead of discarding the theory the data is being made it fit or simply ignored. This applies to trading as well other than trading is hardly science.

On that note could you point to any convincing evidence that volume is the leading indicator of price?

It calls Induction?Deduction is something that is already proved and accepted.
 
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