Automakers' job cuts are at 38,000 and counting

It reminds me of what happened yesterday when I went to the dealership to get my car serviced. I simply went in to get an oil change and tire rotation and while there, the manager asks if I’d be interested in getting the 2019 model of my vehicle. I told him that I had no interest in such, to which he then told me that they have a program where they’re buying back the older model cars at $5k above blue book value in order to help people get the latest models. I told him that I’m definitely not interested now since I have zero interest in piling up debts, especially when my car is only 4 years old and works just fine. He insisted that the deal they’re offering would be better for me than what I’m presently doing. I agreed to let him run some numbers for me and we’d take it from there. After he ran the numbers, we’re talking monthly car payments of almost $800 per month! On the low end, payments were $650. I have a nearly 800 credit score, so my interest rate wasn’t high. Of course I immediately told the sales team that I have no interest in making a purchase, especially when I presently pay only $200 per month and I’m in the final year of my car note. The sales team spoke as if I were being irrational and told me that I was offered one of the better deals. By the way, this is not some high end car dealership. Hell, it’s Nissan.

I thought to myself...if people are paying that much per month for vehicles, everyday 9-5 people, then it probably won’t be long until a wave of defaults hit the auto market.

Dealership employees are often compensated by the "total upsell deals" they secure. Example... the dealership says, "we're in this vehicle for $10,000... you get 20% commission for whatever you can get the customer to pay above $10K." I remember a deal years back where the dealer sales person sold a used car for $9,500... in a car where the dealer's cost was $4,000.... to an old guy who probablly didn't know "come here from sic 'em"... High 5's all around!

I have a friend who freefully admits that more than half of her pay depends upon the total value of "upsell" she get the customer to agree to.... mostly overpriced extended warranties.


Can't imagine that the balance of the pricing on the upscale sales favors the customer...
 
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It reminds me of what happened yesterday when I went to the dealership to get my car serviced. I simply went in to get an oil change and tire rotation and while there, the manager asks if I’d be interested in getting the 2019 model of my vehicle. I told him that I had no interest in such, to which he then told me that they have a program where they’re buying back the older model cars at $5k above blue book value in order to help people get the latest models. I told him that I’m definitely not interested now since I have zero interest in piling up debts, especially when my car is only 4 years old and works just fine. He insisted that the deal they’re offering would be better for me than what I’m presently doing. I agreed to let him run some numbers for me and we’d take it from there. After he ran the numbers, we’re talking monthly car payments of almost $800 per month! On the low end, payments were $650. I have a nearly 800 credit score, so my interest rate wasn’t high. Of course I immediately told the sales team that I have no interest in making a purchase, especially when I presently pay only $200 per month and I’m in the final year of my car note. The sales team spoke as if I were being irrational and told me that I was offered one of the better deals. By the way, this is not some high end car dealership. Hell, it’s Nissan.

I thought to myself...if people are paying that much per month for vehicles, everyday 9-5 people, then it probably won’t be long until a wave of defaults hit the auto market.

You mean you’re within 100 of an 800 FICO? Lol an 800 requires a ton of income; large debt ceiling.
 
You mean you’re within 100 of an 800 FICO? Lol an 800 requires a ton of income; large debt ceiling.
Last I checked, my FICO was around the 750 mark. I don't have a large income by any means, just $50k a year from my day job. I live in the south, so that may go further than other places.
 
You're not wrong, people have been talking about it on this forum (I think anyway) for a while. The question is how do you play it... (Edit: because I'm betting these things are securitized, repackaged and resold like hell)
Yeah, that's the question. Shorting the automotive companies...I'm not sure if that play is even viable at this point.
 
Dealership employees are often compensated by the "total upsell deals" they secure. Example... the dealership says, "we're in this vehicle for $10,000... you get 20% commission for whatever you can get the customer to pay above $10K." I remember a deal years back where the dealer sales person sold a used car for $9,500... in a car where the dealer's cost was $4,000.... to an old guy who probablly didn't know "come here from sic 'em"... High 5's all around!

I have a friend who freefully admits that more than half of her pay depends upon the total value of "upsell" she get the customer to agree to.... mostly overpriced extended warranties.


Can't imagine that the balance of the pricing on the upscale sales favors the customer...
lol. I see! Those guys were laying it on pretty thick too. The sales guy even went so far as to bring a highly attractive female coworker to sit in on our discussion.
 
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