Auto Economics...New Cars $2500 to $3500...

Quote from thriftybob:

Personally, I'd like to see us figuring out a way to run on methanol, which could be made from wood or coal, instead of trying to make ethanol and gasoline consuming machines that run on corn

The methanol experiment was tried in the late 80s and early 90s, and failed. There were methanol-powered cars here in Calif, and I remember a number of gas stations with methanol pumps. The problem was methanol reduced engine longevity, caused more harmful emissions than gasoline until the car warmed up, and caused cold-start problems. After that the state gave up and promoted electric vehicles (that failed too).
 
Quote from michaelscott:

Another point to think about is do you really care what I or anyone else drives? The answer is no. Who cares.

Car ownership data reveals that the most expensive automobiles are owned by the middle class, not by millionaires. The car is a symbol of personal achievements which only makes sense to those that need something that might signal their success to neighbors, colleagues, family, or a stranger passing by. They have to flip cars almost every year to keep up the pace of change in the industry and thereby "convince" others of her continuous success. Meanwhile, they bury themselves in debt in return for this instant glorification and undermine their real possibilities of moving forward with their life and achieve their their ultimate goals.

P.S.: dont forget to checkout the new porsche cayenne 2007 model. a must have for any real successful professional as of today.
 
Quote from asap:

Car ownership data reveals that the most expensive automobiles are owned by the middle class, not by millionaires. The car is a symbol of personal achievements which only makes sense to those that need something that might signal their success to neighbors, colleagues, family, or a stranger passing by. They have to flip cars almost every year to keep up the pace of change in the industry and thereby "convince" others of her continuous success. Meanwhile, they bury themselves in debt in return for this instant glorification and undermine their real possibilities of moving forward with their life and achieve their their ultimate goals.

P.S.: dont forget to checkout the new porsche cayenne 2007 model. a must have for any real successful professional as of today.

Read 'The Mind of The Millionaire.'

Most very wealthy individuals (when I say most, I mean the overwhelming majority of people have large NET worth), drive older cars, that weren't very expensive to begin with.

I remember Ross Perot driving his 1982 Oldsmobile 98 that had 160,000 miles on it after he sold EDS to General Motors for 2 billion back in the 90s.
 
Quote from thriftybob:

There are no "free" energy sources unless you have a car that runs on used french fry oil. As soon as more people have cars that can run on those, it won't be free, either.

Sure, the sun and wind are free, but the gizmos needed to harness them are as much or more expensive than fuel.

I think the neat thing here is that those little cars they are talking about from Tata not only are $2500 NEW, but had a 33 hp motor. With 33 hp you could get 80 mpg, I'm guessing. That's where the big saving is. We need to be coming up with cars that our gluttonous and debt ridden society can both afford to buy, but also feed.

Personally, I'd like to see us figuring out a way to run on methanol, which could be made from wood or coal, instead of trying to make ethanol and gasoline consuming machines that run on corn, which I consider to be insane, because as soon as we have a bad harvest, we'll be foolish enough to burn it instead of saving it to eat. I think we need to find something to burn things that don't require plowing, watering, fertilizers, and could be harvested in multi year cycles instead of once a year. The fewer times you have to run equipment through the field, the less of the output the tractor is going to consume.
You are so wrong. All over the world people build magnet generators to run their homes.
The energy are the permanent magnets. Need no fuel and they run forever? But is illegal to sell them. Why and who is blocking it? There are so many ways to control the people, why we have to buy the fuel?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1woSe6UB0c8
 
Quote from thriftybob:

There are no "free" energy sources unless you have a car that runs on used french fry oil.

The Irish company, Steorn, claims to have a supposed free-energy model engineered. It was a big deal for a while, I'm sure they'd have huge issues with large businesses.

http://www.steorn.net/
 

In my very humble opinion, this is another reason why oil prices are going to go sky high over the next twenty years. Millions of chinese and Indians will be able to afford these little cars and I dont care how good of mileage the little 33 hp engine gets, it still is gonna burn some gas. Multiply that by millions of cars and increased demand for oil is the only outcome. Peak oil MAY or MAY NOT be true, but I sincerely believe that CHEAP oil is a thing of the past.
 
Quote from asap:

Car ownership data reveals that the most expensive automobiles are owned by the middle class, not by millionaires. The car is a symbol of personal achievements which only makes sense to those that need something that might signal their success to neighbors, colleagues, family, or a stranger passing by.


No, the most expensive cars are purchased by the wealthiest people. Most middle-class people cannot afford a F430, Bugatti, Saleen S7, Enzo, and so on. Those are the most expensive cars.

If you're talking about a $60k car, then yes, more of them are purchased by middle-class people (because there are far more middle-class people around), but I wouldn't call a $60k car "the most expensive automobile".
 
Quote from jerry11901:

You are so wrong. All over the world people build magnet generators to run their homes.
The energy are the permanent magnets. Need no fuel and they run forever? But is illegal to sell them. Why and who is blocking it? There are so many ways to control the people, why we have to buy the fuel?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1woSe6UB0c8

There is NO free energy. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. Energy can only be transform from one from to another. This is basic physics. The free perpetual machine do not exist. No one is hiding it, blocking it, or stopping it. The laws of physic do not allow such a thing because it can not be done.

A wind turbine transforms the kinetic energy of wind to electrical energy. A battery transforms chemical energy to electric energy. A electric heater transforms electric energy to heat energy. A electric light bulb transforms electric energy to light energy. The photovoltaic cell transform light energy to electric energy. The nuclear plant transform "matter" to energy. No energy is ever created.

A magnet will NOT do any thing without MOVING its magnetic field across a wire coil in order to generate electricity. You can move the magnet, or you can move the coil. This is a simple electric generator. Either way you need kinetic energy to MOVE either one. It is going to be either your arm, a gas power engine, a horse or a cow. You are transforming kinetic energy to electric energy.

BTW, if you believe in FREE energy: you can dry you clothes under the sun.
 
Quote from jerry11901:

You are so wrong. All over the world people build magnet generators to run their homes.
The energy are the permanent magnets. Need no fuel and they run forever? But is illegal to sell them. Why and who is blocking it? There are so many ways to control the people, why we have to buy the fuel?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1woSe6UB0c8


If the "magnetic motor" is using a magnet to repel or attract another magnet, you still need an initial energy to start it. There will be air friction to slow down the wheel air and friction in the wheel bearing and eventually come to a stop. The test is hook the output shaft with a load such as the transmission of a car or a generator.

If it is illegal to sell this particular engine it is because it is a fraud.
 
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