Attn: Atheist...read the last line of the first post...

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

Every thing does not have the identify of God.

A human being has a self aware identity.

A human being has two arms, but the two arms if separated from the human being do not have a self aware identity. They are just parts of a whole human being removed from a human being. They could be attached to a different human being.

If you lost both your arms and legs, you would still be you. You might feel less than you were because of the loss, but you would forever remain you. You could not be removed and attached to another human being.

God is the container of all things, but God is not a thing. Things are not God.

i don't see the validity of your analogy.

if your brain was separated from you you would lose your "self" or identity because self resides in the brain..

where does god reside
 
All analogies have their limits...

Applying any analogies of things to God, will yield the type of confusion you have when you try to apply that to God.

"where does God reside"

At all places in all times and in no particular place at no particular time.

The problem you are having is common, when God is analyzed from partial point of view.

You think of residing at a particular place at a particular time that is separate from another place and time, when God resides at all places and no particular place continuously with no starting or ending time.

Relativistic logic will forever fail in any understanding of the nature of God...

God is absolute...physical relativism simply cannot grasp the concept of God who exists without any relationship to something separate from God.


Quote from killthesunshine:

i don't see the validity of your analogy.

if your brain was separated from you you would lose your "self" or identity because self resides in the brain..

where does god reside
 
Quote from vhehn:

jem, you silly deluded dope. its simple. faith is an emotion. fact is based on the concept of evidence.

absolute agnosticism is a cop out. You are conceding that you are not competent enough to make a rational analysis based on fact. There is no absolute certainty in this world, yet it is safe to make general assumptions based on proven facts. I know there is no big foot, I know there are no wizards and witches or god, because I put my trust in the concept of verifiable evidence.

nice try. But you miss the point. There is a universe.

So you know that the universe was not created?

If not, you do not know there was not a creator.

Therefore you can not rationally claim to be an atheist.

I know there are asswipe atheists on this thread but I did not think you were one of them.
 
I will address your first two points - you are such a waste of time I will let the other points pass.

Stu said

It's not *may be* jem, it's *is*.

Jem's - more ignorance from Stu.
Depending on how you define evolution in may or may not be a solid theory.

Stu said =
.....and yet you made this statement which "can not be proved.".....
Did you lie intentionally or is it that you just don't have the capacity to understand?

Jem's reply

Stu is so emotional he does not get it. .

I say I believe there is a God.
(this is an absolutely true statement - I do believe there is a God. )

Asswipe atheists say there is no God.
(a statement which is insane because you have no way to prove there was not Creator of the universe.)
 
and asswipe theists keep creating false choices

1) Universe created by deity, not a the personal made up god of whatever religion they have

2) Natural creation may not have needed an intelligent cause, but in any event assigning it to god simply changes the question to what created god

.... among many others.
 
At all places in all times and in no particular place at no particular time.

The problem you are having is common, when God is analyzed from partial point of view.

You think of residing at a particular place at a particular time that is separate from another place and time, when God resides at all places and no particular place continuously with no starting or ending time.

Relativistic logic will forever fail in any understanding of the nature of God...

God is absolute...physical relativism simply cannot grasp the concept of God who exists without any relationship to something separate from God.

The problem with theists is that they are like pot smokers, there is no reality check, they just make shit up.

Any personal skydaddy god who is watching you take a dump must bear a relation to space and time or else the act of watching you shit makes no sense. Complete made up rubbish to say the above.

Part of pseudo-science cultish behavior: make some shit up that sounds half-assed like science, just enough to fool yourself and some other dumb ones. Funny though how after trashing science they then use it for credibility.
 
Sorry that anything beyond a two dimensional concept doesn't suit you...

Quote from Mav88:

The problem with theists is that they are like pot smokers, there is no reality check, they just make shit up.

Any personal skydaddy god who is watching you take a dump must bear a relation to space and time or else the act of watching you shit makes no sense. Complete made up rubbish to say the above.

Part of pseudo-science cultish behavior: make some shit up that sounds half-assed like science, just enough to fool yourself and some other dumb ones. Funny though how after trashing science they then use it for credibility.
 
Another symptom, when they don't understand something they claim another pseudo-scientific concept supports them.

Time is one dimensional, sorry you lack the sophistication to know that.
 
Quote from Mav88:

and asswipe theists keep creating false choices

1) Universe created by deity, not a the personal made up god of whatever religion they have

2) Natural creation may not have needed an intelligent cause, but in any event assigning it to god simply changes the question to what created god

.... among many others.

I am not sure why you seem confused.

I am not forcing you to make any choices.

It is only the asswipes who make statements which can not be proven.

i agree with you - You are correct Natural creation may not have needed an intelligent cause. I never said you have to believe it did.
 
It is only the asswipes who make statements which can not be proven.

oh, ok I guess we are alike then.

the personal god concept cannot be proven, I agree with you, we should just dispense with the idea
 
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