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[jem]

Stu wtf - why does it matter what I believe about the destruction of the middle east. From my comment you may presume that it was predicted. it makes no difference whether I believe god is going to do it or the armies of gog and magog.

Also if you had half a brain you would realize you are asking a metaphysical question, but you seem to desire to set a juvenile little trap. Oh please STU show me how smart you are with your cheesy little games.


Your presumptions just suck and are irrelevant.

Again STU open up your fricken bible and prove Jesus is a torturer. I just want you to prove it in context. You have a quote about what may happen after the second coming. Now why dont you explain to me what happens after the second coming and prove to me you will be tortured by being sent to an everlasting fire. (

Prove you point once in your life Stu. Just once. with a cite and and explanation of your rationale. And also try defining the words.

if you dont you are a pussy and a poser -- fake Stu.

 

[jem]

by the way regarding the previous post about truth changing.

Please prove that accusation you make about Gallileo and the Church being wrong about the make up of the universe.

If you do the research you will see there were plenty of people in the chruch who agreed with Galllileo.

 

[stu]

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Stu wtf - why does it matter what I believe about the destruction of the middle east.

It doesn't. You said it. I asked you what you mean. You can't get past that. Get help from whoever is working your keyboard to explain it jem.

Quote from jem:

From my comment you may presume that it was predicted.

F'kin 'ell jem. What are you on?

stu: "The destruction of the middle east, which presumably you consider to be God's or Jesus's intention,"

Jem: "STU you are the absolute worst at guessing what I believe"

yada yada.. fake stu.. blah bla..

Jem: "From my comment you may presume that it was predicted."

So my presumption was bloody well correct all the time . jesus christ jem what was all your fuss for? What is it with religious people like you who shut their brains down when questions about their weird ideas are put to them.

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Again STU open up your fricken bible and prove Jesus is a torturer.

Don't act the total retard jem. Ok for a bit of fun but not even you could be that stupid. Could you??

The Bible in fricken Mathew. Yooo hoo HELLO!!

 

[trada101]

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Simple, just open up the bible to the ver first story about creation. Then read up about darwin's evolution. You prove to me the creation happened, lol. If you want proof about evolution, visit your local museum. The earth has kept meticulous records by preserving species and shows the evolutionary track. There has never been a find to contradict where one species could have evolved before another. Everything is as it should be. Now why would god tell the story of creation and then plant fossils, records of evolution, all over friggin place. Gee, maybe the authors of the bible didn't know about evolution, darn too bad the church didn't know either.

Did you even know the catholic church apologized for their past mistakes? If so, then what exactly do you suppose they were apologizing for? Calling Galileo names or something?

Did you know that the catholic church promoted the idea that the center of the universe was earth and everything revolved around it? Is there anything the church discovered about our world that was actually correct?

The church placed under house arrest or burned alive a number scientists and philosophers, such as Galileo and Bruno. Yeah Galileo got off a hell of a lot better off then crispy Bruno.

The point is they are apologizing for mistakes, crap they made up that wasn't real. They have a long sad history of doing stupid things like that. And this is the organization that has the answers to everything, quite comical.

I do find it funny how the religous folks always want proof, they can never accept any beliefs against their views on faith. yet they accept what agrees with their beliefs on faith and faith alone. Oh and emotions too, as long as it feels right, it's right.

 

[jem]

Quote from stu:

It doesn't. You said it. I asked you what you mean. You can't get past that. Get help from whoever is working your keyboard to explain it jem.F'kin 'ell jem. What are you on?

stu: "The destruction of the middle east, which presumably you consider to be God's or Jesus's intention,"

Jem: "STU you are the absolute worst at guessing what I believe"

yada yada.. fake stu.. blah bla..

Jem: "From my comment you may presume that it was predicted."

So my presumption was bloody well correct all the time . jesus christ jem what was all your fuss for? What is it with religious people like you who shut their brains down when questions about their weird ideas are put to them.Don't act the total retard jem. Ok for a bit of fun but not even you could be that stupid. Could you??

The Bible in fricken Mathew. Yooo hoo HELLO!!

You are a spineless, quoting out of context, little boy, without the spine to back up anything you say.

Try accepting my challenge like a man and back up your comments.

And by the way if you had any integrity you would not be claiming you made a correct presumption. Your presumption was not that it was predicted -- you made a presumption that I thougt Jesus would cause the destruction or something to that effect. Which are very different presumptoons. duh.
I know you are not stupid so my presumption is that you are hurting form some rejection by someone you associate with Christians. What do you think of that presumption. As accurate as yours?

 

[stu]

Non of that will make a scrap of difference to the fact you obviously aren't able to deal with the underlying facts. A long ago I came to the conclusion you were dishonest on matters explaining the ideas behind your religion. All this stuff is yet more evidence of that.

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Your presumption was not that it was predicted -- you made a presumption that I thougt Jesus would cause the destruction or something to that effect.

What a lot of Rubbish. I made no such presumption or anything to that effect. My question specifically asked... if it was your consideration that the destruction of the middle east was jesus's intention.

Here it is, as posted...
"JEM you do not consider the destruction of the middle east to be God's or Jesus's intention? .. Could you explain yourself any better then? ....."

There is no mention of cause in my question . You have to make that extrapolation yourself, which you do and then blame me for making it and by so doing, show nothing more than your usual weak minded dishonest reaction.

My questioning remark,... "presumably you consider to be God's or Jesus's intention" ... does not presume cause. Since when did intention presume cause. You, a lawyer??,.. don't make me laugh.


Eventually, after numerous denials and pages of squirming and slithering around you own up

• Quote from jem
  "From my comment you may presume that it was predicted."

So then, my presumption, which was obviously more of a question, is valid, and it leaves things in the position that, before this so called 'second comming' according to you, the middle east will need to have been destroyed.

I make non nor made any mention about what the cause of that destruction may be, but according to your story telling, the jesus character now predicts he will not appear until the middle east is destroyed. It is clearly the condition for that jesus appearance.

Now your aim is to what, pretend it isn't? You would rather piss about in the way you have than face what for you must be the horrible reality of dealing with implications of what you state.


You have no challenges jem, you don't make them. You hold no discussion because you can't deal with any of this.

You just shout out from behind some dusty old disreputable curtain which is your religion, only to then scamper away, you are found cowering in a fetid corner of dishonesty so that you might skulk and accuse in service of the inhuman religious doctrine you mindlessly and deceitfully defend.

 

[jem]

Quote from stu:

Non of that will make a scrap of difference to the fact you obviously aren't able to deal with the underlying facts. A long ago I came to the conclusion you were dishonest on matters explaining the ideas behind your religion. All this stuff is yet more evidence of that.


What a lot of Rubbish. I made no such presumption or anything to that effect. My question specifically asked... if it was your consideration that the destruction of the middle east was jesus's intention.

Here it is, as posted...
"JEM you do not consider the destruction of the middle east to be God's or Jesus's intention? .. Could you explain yourself any better then? ....."

There is no mention of cause in my question . You have to make that extrapolation yourself, which you do and then blame me for making it and by so doing, show nothing more than your usual weak minded dishonest reaction.

My questioning remark,... "presumably you consider to be God's or Jesus's intention" ... does not presume cause. Since when did intention presume cause. You, a lawyer??,.. don't make me laugh.


Eventually, after numerous denials and pages of squirming and slithering around you own up

• Quote from jem
  "From my comment you may presume that it was predicted."

So then, my presumption, which was obviously more of a question, is valid, and it leaves things in the position that, before this so called 'second comming' according to you, the middle east will need to have been destroyed.

I make non nor made any mention about what the cause of that destruction may be, but according to your story telling, the jesus character now predicts he will not appear until the middle east is destroyed. It is clearly the condition for that jesus appearance.

Now your aim is to what, pretend it isn't? You would rather piss about in the way you have than face what for you must be the horrible reality of dealing with implications of what you state.


You have no challenges jem, you don't make them. You hold no discussion because you can't deal with any of this.

You just shout out from behind some dusty old disreputable curtain which is your religion, only to then scamper away, you are found cowering in a fetid corner of dishonesty so that you might skulk and accuse in service of the inhuman religious doctrine you mindlessly and deceitfully defend.

Just to show what a madman you are here is your full quote where your presumption is revealed.!

"To top things off, you infer endorsement of all that with implied threats of your own. The destruction of the middle east, which presumably you consider to be God's or Jesus's intention, along with the inference that I must choose to accept the terms and ideas of these mass murderous exterminators, or go to the 'burn place'."

Isn't your time worth more than paragraphs of lies based on out of context cutting and pasting.

By the way nice dodge of the real issue, regarding wheter jesus is a mass murderer.

 

[stu]

Quote from jem:
Just to show what a madman you are...

Madmen go around mindlessly supporting a book in the way you do which threatens, inplied and direct, the actions of a mass murdering genocidal maniac as something worth worshipping.

Quote from jem:
...here is your full quote where your presumption is revealed.!

"To top things off, you infer endorsement of all that with implied threats of your own. The destruction of the middle east, which presumably you consider to be God's or Jesus's intention, along with the inference that I must choose to accept the terms and ideas of these mass murderous exterminators, or go to the 'burn place'."

And your eventual response was.... "you may presume that it was predicted." ..anyway!! You dolt.

The destruction is predicted according to you . The jesus character doesn't arrive until the destruction is done. What is that, in context, other than an implied threat that the middle east must first be destroyed before this 'second coming' thing.

Not only are you dishonest but a pretentious idiot to boot.

Quote from jem:
By the way nice dodge of the real issue, regarding wheter jesus is a mass murderer.

The Bible depicts jesus so to be. I gave you the evidence . All you do is huff and puff in a mealy mouthed way along with all your dishonesty .

 

[jem]

you are so intellectually dishonest -- no wonder you equate jesus to a mass murderer.

I prove you to be a liar with your own quote ----

and then you go ranting an raving with more out of context cut and pastes.


What I eventually wrote about the prediction has no bearing on whether you made a presumption. A presumption I just displayed. Instead of admiting you are wrong - you create some sort of new super stupid issue.

You arguments are now off point, , exhibit a lack of clarity and exhibit a powerful misunderstanding of the proper use of the word "infer".

I will no longer waste any time with you. You prefer to waste time than admit you were mistaken.

 

[stu]

Unfortunately for you the record shows. Obviously your ego and pretentiousness is more than enough to stop you understanding what is actually being said .