attack religion without fear

[Aapex]

Quote from stu:

Aapex you are all over the place. It's simple really. Because something isn't proven not to exist, does not therefore mean it must exist. Can you really not understand that? Because God is not scientifically proven not to exist , does not mean God exists.

Of course I accept you cannot prove the existence of God and I am not wanting to prove the non-existence of God. Why should I?

I have no difficulty in recognizing the limits of science, although I do see science making progress on stuff not yet understood, as it always has. I do not see religion doing anything similar.

I do not agree you have anything worth calling evidence for God's existence.

And once again I am not trying to prove there is no God. To do so would be like trying to prove there are no leprechauns. It is pointless trying to prove anything fanciful like God or Leprechauns don’t exist.

Because you see no evidence for apemen, aliens from outerspace or leprechauns, does not mean they don't exist. By your own argument as you say, you cannot prove God exists, so just how could you prove leprechauns don't .

Science has served humanity well. Through it we have discovered countless natural laws of universe and use that knowledge to make our lives easier in every area of our existence. But to limit a theist's proofs to the confines of what the atheist determines is one sided. To a Christian, there are experiences that science and logic cannot explain and these experiences are real. The atheist needs to recognize that we have experiences that are life changing. No mere psychological set of theories explains the changes in our lives. So please, don't mock them. Can science nail down all that exists in mind, body, and soul? No. Can it quantify the beauty of a sunset, the cooing of a baby, or the love of a man and a woman? Science and logic have served us well, but they are not the ultimate truth to all things.
Of course, that does not mean we ignore science. In fact, we use it in our proofs for God. But to limit the playing field to your set of rules is an unfair way to start. It is mostly an attempt to initiate control and keep command of the conversation by setting the ground rules according to your criteria.

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

since they all can not be true

How is this known?

ask any believer of any of the major religions. he will tell you that his is the only true religion.

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from Aapex:

Science has served humanity well. Through it we have discovered countless natural laws of universe and use that knowledge to make our lives easier in every area of our existence. But to limit a theist's proofs to the confines of what the atheist determines is one sided. To a Christian, there are experiences that science and logic cannot explain and these experiences are real. The atheist needs to recognize that we have experiences that are life changing. No mere psychological set of theories explains the changes in our lives. So please, don't mock them. Can science nail down all that exists in mind, body, and soul? No. Can it quantify the beauty of a sunset, the cooing of a baby, or the love of a man and a woman? Science and logic have served us well, but they are not the ultimate truth to all things.
Of course, that does not mean we ignore science. In fact, we use it in our proofs for God. But to limit the playing field to your set of rules is an unfair way to start. It is mostly an attempt to initiate control and keep command of the conversation by setting the ground rules according to your criteria.

these things you describe are simply emotions.

 

[Aapex]

Quote from vhehn:

ask any believer of any of the major religions. he will tell you that his is the only true religion.

If you apply the same rigor on other world religions as you do the Bible you will see that the Bible stands head and shoulders above the rest.

 

[palmbeachdude]

This thread was started with the caption to "attack religion without fear". This in itself implies that you know very little of which you speak and are woefully deficient of truth.

Let me enlighten you. If you did not fear religion, YOU WOULD NOT FEEL THE NEED TO ATTACK IT. The need to attack it shows explicitly that you feel that it may cause harm to you.

If there is anything else i can do to help, please let me know.

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from Aapex:

If you apply the same rigor on other world religions as you do the Bible you will see that the Bible stands head and shoulders above the rest.

only in the mind of the christian. i suspect the muslim would disagree.

 

[Aapex]

Quote from vhehn:

only in the mind of the christian. i suspect the muslim would disagree.

Have you examined the claims of the Koran?
Have you examined the claims of the Bible?

If so, what have you found?

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from palmbeachdude:

This thread was started with the caption to "attack religion without fear". This in itself implies that you know very little of which you speak and are woefully deficient of truth.

Let me enlighten you. If you did not fear religion, YOU WOULD NOT FEEL THE NEED TO ATTACK IT. The need to attack it shows explicitly that you feel that it may cause harm to you.

If there is anything else i can do to help, please let me know.

i think most skeptics dont fear religion as much as fear what it does to the minds of believers. all of the major wars today have a religious component.
if believers kept their superstitions to themselves many who attack it would go away. its when you are constantly trying to influence how other people think and live that brings out the attack.

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

Did you never hear the story of the six blind men talking about the elephant?

Quote from vhehn:

ask any believer of any of the major religions. he will tell you that his is the only true religion.

 

[palmbeachdude]

Quote from vhehn:

i think most skeptics dont fear religion as much as fear what it does to the minds of believers. all of the major wars today have a religious component.
if believers kept their superstitions to themselves many who attack it would go away. its when you are constantly trying to influence how other people think and live that brings out the attack.

Nice try, but it doesn't even pass half of a smell test. It still goes back, right in your answer, to the fact that you think it will hurt you.