Atlas Shrugged?

Quote from runningman:

The simple question for any Rand fan is: If her philosophies are so much better than anything else, why have they never been successfully put into practice in any country in the history of the world?

The simple answer is that the thorough philosophy is a utopian dream. It will never be fully instituted in my lifetime, if ever.

Quote from Thunderdog:

As it happens, I share some of this fellow's considered views regarding the troubled economics of Ayn Rand:

http://www.mskousen.com/Books/Articles/0101aynrand.html

That oped makes me wonder if Skousen actually read TF or just the cliff notes.
 
Quote from runningman:

The simple question for any Rand fan is: If her philosophies are so much better than anything else, why have they never been successfully put into practice in any country in the history of the world?


Societies at large are still very ignorant. See what is happening in most of South America.
 
Quote from ogarbitrage:

...That oped makes me wonder if Skousen actually read TF or just the cliff notes.
Well, I couldn't tell you for certain one way or the other. However, I can tell you that I read the two books cover to cover, about 8 or so years ago because a number of people were raving about Rand. Frankly, I'm still surprised at myself for reading TF after finishing AS (fool me once, shame on you...). And I think Skousen's critique is incisive. So my guess is he read the books.
 
Quote from fhl:

Ok, I'll bite.

Envy. When the fruits and rewards of increased productivity flow to the productive who created them, we just can't seem to get liberals to agree that it's "better" or "successful". They seem to prefer a country where everyone has the same, even if that "same" is almost nothing.

So then why didn't the "high achievers" IN ANY SOCIETY EVER just leave and start their own country? Its never been done throughout history. Makes you wonder.
 
Quote from runningman:

So then why didn't the "high achievers" IN ANY SOCIETY EVER just leave and start their own country? Its never been done throughout history. Makes you wonder.
Actually, it might not be such a bad idea if some of the "high achievers" here at ET were to go live on a hidden island somewhere, where they could weave baskets and barter with one another. No Internet access, of course, since it would compromise their standards and ideals to associate with the riffraff. That is, after all, why they would seek out that island in the first place.
 
Quote from runningman:

So then why didn't the "high achievers" IN ANY SOCIETY EVER just leave and start their own country? Its never been done throughout history. Makes you wonder.


It already did. The US was a good example.
 
Quote from Optionpro007:

It already did. The US was a good example.
Perhaps I am mistaken, but there may be more differences than similarities in your comparison. And if you are indeed correct, then what was Rand railing about, since the two of her books that I read are set in the US? No, I think Rand crossed the line quite comfortably into one-dimensional fanaticism. And, sure enough, it drew a crowd. Not so much unlike some modern-day one-dimensional fanatics drawing a crowd today, wouldn't you say?
 
Quote from runningman:

The simple question for any Rand fan is: If her philosophies are so much better than anything else, why have they never been successfully put into practice in any country in the history of the world?

The U.S.; for a period of about 50 years following the civil war, with all the resulting progress and relative prosperity of that era.

While it <i>was</i> before Rand's time, The U.S. economy of that period was indisputably closer to Austrian/ laissez-faire economics than any other system.
 
Quote from Rearden Metal:

The U.S.; for a period of about 50 years following the civil war, with all the resulting progress and relative prosperity of that era.

While it <i>was</i> before Rand's time, The U.S. economy of that period was indisputably closer to Austrian/ laissez-faire economics than any other system.
Aside from the dark cloud of slavery, the US has an impressive and remarkable history. Even so, don't be too quick to romanticize the past. There was substantial abuse and hardship endured by the many at the hands of the few during the glory days you refer to. There was far more grit than gloss, and the picture always looks cleaner and better from afar. On the plus side, a lot of things got better while some admittedly got worse.

Rand was one-dimensional and naive. Her take on economics, as expressed in her novels, was fairly laughable.
 
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