Athletes who take a knee or raise a fist in protest at Tokyo Olympics will face punishment: IOC

[Tony Stark]

I disagree, if the boxer is good and wins a medal he will get signed and start his career. Protesting on the medal stand or during a fight will give him some media attention, but his first few fights will be on undercards that are not televised until he puts together some wins in the 6-8 round bouts he will fight.

A boxer does not need to kneel at the medal ceremony to get paid. Also, two weeks after the Olympics the media will move on to something else and stop giving a shit like they always do.

If the boxer is good and wins a medal he will get signed and start his career. But if he kneels he will start his career with publicity and mainstream media attention that a beginning boxer could only dream of.That publicity makes people want to see him fight,whether they like him,hate him, or are just curious to see what the hype is about.

 

[ph1l]

I have Marciano 2nd and Louis 3rd.I know most would disagree and Im biased because Rocky is my favorite fighter .I know most give Marciano no credit for beating Louis,and Louis was past his prime but Louis had won 8 straight fights before Rocky knocked him out so he wasn't a bum when they fought.

Even though ...

in a simulation, I'd still pick Ali over Marciano for picking who was the better boxer. Ali had better competition and was robbed from competing at his prime.

 

[Tony Stark]

Even though ...

in a simulation, I'd still pick Ali over Marciano for picking who was the better boxer. Ali had better competition and was robbed from competing at his prime.

Ali would definitely beat Rocky.The 3 years off thing is really overrated imo.

 

[CaptainObvious]

No protests round eye, you stay home. Maybe we can have our own Woke Olympic games. How many black feet can you wash in a minute? How loud can you shriek at the sky? How many virtue signaling dollars can you donate to BLM? They need more mansions and private jets, just so you know. How many stores can you loot in an hour? The list goes on and of course, everyone gets a participation trophy at the grand fanalie. Smaller trophies for the white athletes of course.

 

[smallfil]

Just boycott the US Olympic team. It has ceased to represent the US when the so called athletes are disrespecting their own flag and anthem. Other countries are laughing at the US because we do not respect our flag, anthem and country yet, claim to represent it? Athletes from other countries love their countries including, their flags and anthems because it is a sign of respect for their countries. US has become the laughing stock since, they appointed extreme liberals to run Olympic sports. Fire all these idiots en masse. All so called US athletes protesting should have all uniforms with flags confiscated and any medals won, given back to Olympic organizers to give to the 2nd, 3rd and 4th placers who deserve it more. They should also, get a lifetime ban from ever representing the US ever again.

 

[userque]

"As long as you peacefully protest ... except not here ... and not there ... and not during this event ... and not during that event ... and no kneeling ... and no fists in the air."

Plenty of opportunity to protest against things in your own country in your own country or outside the medal ceremony.

The thing about expressing yourself, and speech, is that you get to decide when you do it--even if it means you'll be punished for it.

at the Olympics you are representing your entire country and on the podium with 2 other people representing their own country as well and maybe getting a medal for the first time.

Facts.

Going to a foreign country to protest something in your own country that takes away from other amateur's life event is just out of place.

All forms of protest cause inconvenience to innocent bystanders. Who, but the protester themselves, gets to decide where it is appropriate for them to exercise their right to speech/expression, all while being aware of the consequences?

This is not the same as a basketball player or football player in their own country making a statement about something important within that country.

Things are global now. The whole world is watching. And that can put added pressure onto the target country. Additionally, who, but the protestor, gets to decide where they will, or will not, exercise there rights, even under pain of penalty?

You are not distracting from the game or ceremony or anything global.

Perhaps the protester's opinion as to what is, or isn't, most important, differs from yours. Perhaps your opinion would different, if you walked in the protester's shoes. Who is best suited to decide when and where a protester should protest?

Except for maybe boxers and gymnasts and 100m dash runners, most olympians fade into obscurity so let them have their moment without being hijacked during a medal ceremony.

The protester may disagree that the moment will be considered hijacked because they put a fist in the air, for example.

 

[El OchoCinco]

"As long as you peacefully protest ... except not here ... and not there ... and not during this event ... and not during that event ... and no kneeling ... and no fists in the air."


The thing about expressing yourself, and speech, is that you get to decide when you do it--even if it means you'll be punished for it.

Facts.

All forms of protest cause inconvenience to innocent bystanders. Who, but the protester themselves, gets to decide where it is appropriate for them to exercise their right to speech/expression, all while being aware of the consequences?

Things are global now. The whole world is watching. And that can put added pressure onto the target country. Additionally, who, but the protestor, gets to decide where they will, or will not, exercise there rights, even under pain of penalty?

Perhaps the protester's opinion as to what is, or isn't, most important, differs from yours. Perhaps your opinion would different, if you walked in the protester's shoes. Who is best suited to decide when and where a protester should protest?

The protester may disagree that the moment will be considered hijacked because they put a fist in the air, for example.

Having a serious issue to protest and keeping quiet for months and months despite all the media attention and simply waiting until you are on the podium to take a knee and shit on someone else's moment?

Sorry but I support actual heartfelt protest, not someone just being opportunistic trying to "cash" in.

Naomi Osaka showed how to do it right..

 

[userque]

Having a serious issue to protest and keeping quiet for months and months despite all the media attention and simply waiting until you are on the podium to take a knee and shit on someone else's moment?

We can suppose that a hypothetical person would wait until they have a sufficient platform.

Again, this person may not consider their protesting, their moment; as shitting on another's shine. IOW, again, their opinion may differ from your opinion. Whose opinion should they follow, yours, or their own?

Sorry but I support actual heartfelt protest, not someone just being opportunistic trying to "cash" in.

Waiting for a platform is not equivalent to "cashing in." They may actually make less cash going forward, after they protest against the ban. And, they may be fined??

Every protester knows that everyone won't agree with their protests.

Naomi Osaka showed how to do it right..

Perhaps our hypothetical protester thinks that there is more than one 'right' way to protest--after we figure out what the 'right' way is; and who gets to make that determination?

I wonder what non-slaves thought would be the 'right' way for slaves to protest?

I wonder what the King of Great Britain thought the 'right' way for the colonies to protest should be?

Dictating how someone else should protest, is like dictating how another country should wage war against you.

In both cases, good luck with that.

 

[El OchoCinco]

We can suppose that a hypothetical person would wait until they have a sufficient platform.

Again, this person may not consider their protesting, their moment; as shitting on another's shine. IOW, again, their opinion may differ from your opinion. Whose opinion should they follow, yours, or their own?

Waiting for a platform is not equivalent to "cashing in." They may actually make less cash going forward, after they protest against the ban. And, they may be fined??

Every protester knows that everyone won't agree with their protests.

Perhaps our hypothetical protester thinks that there is more than one 'right' way to protest--after we figure out what the 'right' way is; and who gets to make that determination?

I wonder what non-slaves thought would be the 'right' way for slaves to protest?

I wonder what the King of Great Britain thought the 'right' way for the colonies to protest should be?

Dictating how someone else should protest, is like dictating how another country should wage war against you.

In both cases, good luck with that.

Ok you hyperbole is way off mark. Slaves and olympic athletes are not the same and neither is Americans signing the Declaration of Independence.

An Olympic athlete is intereviewed hundreds of times by their local media, national media and given hours of attention on social media. You are comparing that with slaves in the field protesting against being slaves??

If an athlete is willing to throw their medal in the trash just for a 30 second chance to kneel or raise a fist, then don't go on to the podium. If the medal means nothing to you then don't accept it or don't compete. IOC did not say don't protest, it said not during the medal ceremony which is 1 minute out of the entire 2 weeks you are there.

Stop using slavery as an example, it is no where near the same. Olympic athletes are in a very privileged situation and living out their dream.. outside of some boxers they are often financially supported and living in Tokyo for free being given free clothes and the chance to make millions. The IOC can tell them to keep it off the podium for 1 minute.

 

[userque]

Ok you hyperbole is way off mark. Slaves and olympic athletes are not the same and neither is Americans signing the Declaration of Independence.

An Olympic athlete is intereviewed hundreds of times by their local media, national media and given hours of attention on social media. You are comparing that with slaves in the field protesting against being slaves??

I am comparing 'protesting.'

Just as you don't get to say how another can protest;

you also don't get to rank how important their protest is to them.

The Civil Rights movement was the most important thing in the world to some people;
A nothing-burger to others.

Even so, and to directly respond to your reply:

What is the same in my examples is illustrating to you, how what is right or wrong regarding protesting is a matter of perspective and opinion, and not a matter of fact.

And in that regard, the protest subject-matter is irrelevant.