Atheists, agnostics most knowledgeable about religion, survey says
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By your own logic, God is just as plausible as no God:
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Scientists didn't create "mini big bangs" despite their unfortunate wording because the universe didn't form from the collision of lead ions at near the speed of light. What they did was attempt to recreate conditions believed to have existed just after the Big Bang.
âUntil man duplicates a blade of grass, Nature can laugh at his so-called scientific knowledge.â
-- Thomas Edison
âUntil man duplicates a blade of grass, Nature can laugh at his so-called scientific knowledge.â
-- Thomas Edison
as I read more about this I am amazed...
do you realize a quote I gave you earlier was from the guy who got this whole argument started...
"It is, for example, impossible for evolution to account for the fact than one single cell can carry more data than all the volumes of the Encyclopedia Britannica put together.â
âIt now seems to me that the findings of more than fifty years of DNA research have provided materials for a new and enormously powerful argument to design.â
-Anthony Flew
Professor of Philosophy, former atheist, author, and debater"
"Mr. Flew's best-known plaint for atheism, "Theology and Falsification," was delivered in 1950 to the Socratic Club, chaired by none other than C.S. Lewis. This paper went on to become the most widely reprinted philosophical publication of the last five decades and set the agenda for modern atheism.
Now, in a remarkable reversal, Mr. Flew holds that the universe was brought into being by an infinite intelligence.
"What I think the DNA material has done is show that intelligence must have been involved in getting these extraordinarily diverse elements together," he said. "The enormous complexity by which the results were achieved look to me like the work of intelligence."
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/converted-to-creation-antony-flew-former-atheist.htm
Now remember if you have a problem with the quote... disect the quotes... not the website. these quotes can be found in lots of places.
do you realize a quote I gave you earlier was from the guy who got this whole argument started...
"It is, for example, impossible for evolution to account for the fact than one single cell can carry more data than all the volumes of the Encyclopedia Britannica put together.â
âIt now seems to me that the findings of more than fifty years of DNA research have provided materials for a new and enormously powerful argument to design.â
-Anthony Flew
Professor of Philosophy, former atheist, author, and debater"
"Mr. Flew's best-known plaint for atheism, "Theology and Falsification," was delivered in 1950 to the Socratic Club, chaired by none other than C.S. Lewis. This paper went on to become the most widely reprinted philosophical publication of the last five decades and set the agenda for modern atheism.
Now, in a remarkable reversal, Mr. Flew holds that the universe was brought into being by an infinite intelligence.
"What I think the DNA material has done is show that intelligence must have been involved in getting these extraordinarily diverse elements together," he said. "The enormous complexity by which the results were achieved look to me like the work of intelligence."
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/converted-to-creation-antony-flew-former-atheist.htm
Now remember if you have a problem with the quote... disect the quotes... not the website. these quotes can be found in lots of places.
just how much do you think an elderly Professor of Philosophy knows about dna and genes?
we are making progress. i used to spend a lot of time with christians debating "special creation". now the debate has moved to did god design evolution. you are being slowly dragged into the 20th century.
"Actually, I find no conflict here, and neither apparently do the 40 percent of working scientists who claim to be believers. Yes, evolution by descent from a common ancestor is clearly true. If there was any lingering doubt about the evidence from the fossil record, the study of DNA provides the strongest possible proof of our relatedness to all other living things". By Dr. Francis Collins
Special to CNN Editor's note: Francis S. Collins, M.D., Ph.D., is the director of the Human Genome Project. His most recent book is "The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief." http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/03/collins.commentary/index.html
perhaps as much as... a noble laureate..
âIf you equate the probability of the birth of a bacteria cell to chance assembly of its atoms, eternity will not suffice to produce one⦠Faced with the enormous sum of lucky draws behind the success of the evolutionary game, one may legitimately wonder to what extent this success is actually written into the fabric of the universe.â
- Christian de Duve. âA Guided Tour of the Living Cellâ (Nobel laureate and organic chemist)
or these two guys....
The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a little child entering a huge library. The walls are covered to the ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books - a mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects.â
- Albert Einstein
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Astronomy leads us to a unique event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say âsupernaturalâ) plan.â
- Arno Penzias (Nobel prize in physics) Margenau, H and R.A. Varghese, ed. 1992. Cosmos, Bios, and Theos. La Salle, IL, Open Court, p. 83.