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[stu]

Quote from Lucrum:

If someone were to keep repeating over and over and over that "the laws of physics allow for a creator" would you simply accept it as fact? Or would you ask what specific laws they are referring to?

Ask this guy....he'll tell you.....

Quote from jem:
"....I not only accept that science says the universe could pop up from nothing and that I suppose there could be trillions of other universes, I could explain it to you with quotes from scientists."

....he'll explain what scientists "say" and will change what they actually do say for you, if it's not going to fit with some intelligent design notion or other.



You said you had no problems with the laws of physics.
But do seem to have a problem with a universe from nothing, whilst the laws of physics allow for it.

Although any explanation, no matter how much fact is contained within, scientific theory or knowledge not in violation of the laws of physics that now exists for a universe from nothing, it's non of that is it?.

It's only ...."just a theory". Right?

 

[Trader666]

LMAO!!! Drop the facade STUpid... you're in no position to debate the origin of the universe. You didn't even know about dark energy and dark matter until I schooled you here:
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2952513#post2952513

STUpid = moronic troll and poser

Quote from STUpid:


But do seem to have a problem with a universe from nothing, whilst the laws of physics allow for it.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from stuPID:

Ask this guy....

I'm asking YOU.

But do seem to have a problem with a universe from nothing, whilst the laws of physics allow for it.

I don't know, since I've never seen these "laws" you keep insisting we believe even though as far as I can tell no one has seen any such laws of physics. If you actually produced valid, proven LAWS (not theories) of physics that say what you claim then I'd believe you. How hard is it to copy and paste these laws?

 

[stu]

Quote from Trader666:

LMAO!!! Drop the facade STUpid... you're in no position to debate the origin of the universe. You didn't even know about dark energy and dark matter until I schooled you here:
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2952513#post2952513

STUpid = moronic troll and poser

I already said the irrational ramblings that you've made earlier in links you keep referring to are locked, so they are going to remain as dumb as when you first made them.

 

[stu]

Quote from Lucrum:
I don't know, since I've never seen these "laws" you keep insisting we believe even though as far as I can tell no one has seen any such laws of physics. If you actually produced valid, proven LAWS (not theories) of physics that say what you claim then I'd believe you. How hard is it to copy and paste these laws?

It's not my fault you insist in asking the wrong question which leads to you getting this ass backwards.

Presumably you know of the laws of physics as you said you have no problem with them.

Those same laws of physics are not violated in the theoretical physics which explains how a universe can begin from nothing.

Now, there is the cue for some dishonest remarks to come from a few God pushers intolerant of anything that might question their "Creator" pre-conclusion.
Even the laws of gravity get to be called "just a theory", and theoretical particle physics are "just a theory" too which of course they, along with scientific hypothesis and scientific theory, are indeed not.... "just a theory".

So although the laws of physics allow for a universe to begin from nothing, for some , no amount of anything will allow for the non-necessity of a Magical Macrocosm Maker.

Does that help any?

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from stu:

Those same laws of physics are not violated in the theoretical physics which (attempts to...) explains how a universe can (as opposed to did) begin from nothing.

Does that help any?

A little, though I'm not so sure in the way you intended.

 

[stu]

Quote from Lucrum:

A little, though I'm not so sure in the way you intended.

No way intended, it's how things are...
The laws of physics allow when the laws of physics are not being violated.
They are not violated in the theoretical physics which explains how a universe can begin from nothing.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from stu:

The laws of physics allow when the laws of physics are not being violated.
They are not violated in the theoretical physics which explains how a universe can begin from nothing.

So...then it's just a theory?

 

[stu]

Quote from Lucrum:

So...then it's just a theory?

Creator God, not even a theory.
Yeah you could say that

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from stu:

Creator God, not even a theory.
Yeah you could say that

Why do you keep bringing up God, do all you rebuttals have to include a childish comment about God?

I was talking about your theoretical physics.