Atheists, agnostics most knowledgeable about religion, survey says

[intradaybill]

Quote from CaptainObvious:

True enough, but the real point of my post was to illustrate that as an atheist your philosophy/theory is not fact. You have a theory! That's great, but it's only a theory, one with many holes and assumptions in it. The hardcore creationist has a theory too, one with lot's of holes and assumptions in it. You just don't want to admit you're as hard headed and stubborn as they are. The FACT is, nobody knows for sure how/why the universe came to be. Science cannot provide absolute proof, and neither can religion. Should we be looking? You bet, but we're a long ways from anything being settled as fact. The tone of your posts seems to be that you take your theory as fact, and then you're critical of someone with an opposing theory which they claim to be fact. Pot, meet kettle.

Well said. Theories at any given point in time reflect only socio-economic conditions and tell us nothing about the nature of physical reality. Newtonian harmony was in the time of classical music and now in the times of hip hop and electronic noise we have quantum mechanics with 10 equivalent interpretation that have compelled many to question its significance.

The real force in life is people beliefs and how they pursue them. Not theories. Theories, according to Pessimistic Meta-Inducation, come and go. Beliefs shape the world for thousands of years.

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from intradaybill:

I have no time to watch Marxist videos.

you religious moron. Marxist videos indeed. if you had taken the time to watch the video you would have known that it was authored by a christian biologist.
what is it with the religious and their lack of intellectual curiousity?

 

[stu]

Quote from intradaybill:

You are not a free thinker. You are a dummy. Probability and chance cannot explain specified complexity. I have no time to watch Marxist videos. Smart, free economy believers, became businessmen and dogmatic ideologists became intelllectuals who want to tell other people that everything happened by chance because that is what their blind dogma preaches.

All it takes for you is to stop being a stupid pigot and look around you at nature and beings. Could all this have risen by chance alone? How many black-boxes you would have to introduce to convince yourslef of that happening?

You are foolling only yourself. I have no particular faith in no religion. So stop being an idiot and question youself for honesty.

christ... and they say my tone is bad!

Probability and chance cannot explain specified complexity.

Well, Yes they can actually . From the very basic and most simplest, to complex by small gradual changes over exceptionally long periods of time.
It's called evolution.
In your case, ignorance is called bliss.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from stu:

It's called evolution.

Which according to a link posted by YOU just days ago... is just a THEORY.

Now, how about that specific law(s) of physics which allows for something to spontaneously appear from nothing.

 

[stu]

Quote from Lucrum:

Which according to a link posted by YOU just days ago... is just a THEORY.

Are you one of those who is being purposely misleading or dishonest about the use of the word THEORY?

 

[CaptainObvious]

Quote from stu:

No. What you seem to not want to admit is that a scientific theory has nothing in common with a creationist or a religious or an everyday theory, except the word..




Now it is you who is throwing up absolutes here . I don't.

I apologize for the tone of my posts, yours can be a bit brusque as well you know! But I take scientific theories as based on fact, which they are. Otherwise they are not scientific theories.

So for example, when knowledge about the universe is gained and understood within a scientific theory, as say gravity and evolution is, it is based upon the fact of gravity and evolution and also facts which are associated with gravity and evolution.

Religious theory and creationist ideology are fundamentally and essentially not based on any fact. That's why such theories that they have fall over so quickly when examined, because in essence they are not based upon fact.

I 'm saying comparing religious theory as being in any way comparable to scientific theory is simply wrong and making comparison is purposely done so dishonestly by many theists to mislead .

Are you suggesting the laws of physics which allow a universe to begin from nothing are not based on fact, but religion is !?

The word facts is a relative term when debating the creation of the universe. Science has it's facts, and the creationist's have theirs. And the facts, they do change from time to time, even in science. Maybe I should say, the interptation of the facts change as we advance our knowledge.
As far as my personal beliefs go, I think science provides a stronger argument for everything except the actual moment of creation, and to my knowldge science does not even attempt to answer the question of why, nor should they have to. I'm just saying they don't. And the why of it all is a valid question.
I'm not so sure theists are intent on mis-leading as much as they are trying to persuade. That may seem like splitting the hair to thin, but I'm willing to give the religous community(the average joe believer) as a whole the benefit of the doubt. Now at a higher level of authority in organized religion you'll get no argument form me that they are as corrupt as any politcal group, and willfully mislead, speak in half truths and are more concerned with power over people than salvation. Science has it's junk element as well, though not in as great numbers.
I just don't think it serves any good purpose to call people stupid just because they believe in God, nor does it do anything to foster intelligent discussion.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from stu:

Are you one of those who is being purposely misleading or dishonest about the use of the word THEORY?

Not that I'm aware of.

Definition of THEORY
1
: the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another
2
: abstract thought : speculation
3
: the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art <music theory>
4
a : a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action <her method is based on the theory that all children want to learn> b : an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances —often used in the phrase in theory <in theory, we have always advocated freedom for all>
5
: a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena <the wave theory of light>
6
a : a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation b : an unproved assumption : conjecture c : a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject <theory of equations>


Are you purposely avoiding posting that specific law(s) of physics that allows for <s>something</s> universes to spring forth from nothing?

I would seriously like to see it.

 

[Trader666]

General relativity is a THEORY that attributes the effects of gravity to space-time curvature and is incompatible with quantum mechanics.

Quote from STUpid:

The laws of physics that relate to the fundamental laws of nature with particular reference to Einstein rather than Newton.

 

[jem]

Quote from stu:

christ... and they say my tone is bad!

Probability and chance cannot explain specified complexity.

Well, Yes they can actually . From the very basic and most simplest, to complex by small gradual changes over exceptionally long periods of time.
It's called evolution.
In your case, ignorance is called bliss.

Show us quotes in the last five years coming from university employed scholars who state that our universe came about by chance.

That is the crux of the debate... hawking just wrote the quotes saying that the multiple universe speculation combats the inference of design. But all the multiverse guys admit the multiverse is unproven.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from Lucrum:

Are you (Stewie) purposely avoiding posting that specific law(s) of physics that allows for <s>something</s> universes to spring forth from nothing?

I would seriously like to see it.

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