Jesus never killed anyone. Never.
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Jesus never killed anyone. Never.
Jesus is God according to Christian faith so sure, Jesus would be responsible for the countless millions of people he, as God, killed according to the bible.
Right. It would need some real piece of work to comprehend that ridiculous article as not ridiculous.
Might be better to separate the followings independently:
1. God, the Origin of all things and everything. We would never fully understand the Origin, theoretically and philosophically. What is God? Who besides God has the knowledge and is able to define God.
2. Religion, a man-made organisation, usually using the name of God. Someone says, religion makes a good man better, bad man worse. Religions can perform good thing and bad things.
3. Faith/Belief, everyone has at least one faith/belief, e.g. a faith/belief in certain science/mathematical/economic theory; a faith/belief in no God; a faith/belief in no AGW; a faith/belief in Mao/Kim/Trump; etc.
1. God, the Origin of all things and everything. We would never fully understand the Origin, theoretically and philosophically. What is God? Who besides God has the knowledge and is able to define God.
2. Religion, a man-made organisation, usually using the name of God. Someone says, religion makes a good man better, bad man worse. Religions can perform good thing and bad things.
3. Faith/Belief, everyone has at least one faith/belief, e.g. a faith/belief in certain science/mathematical/economic theory; a faith/belief in no God; a faith/belief in no AGW; a faith/belief in Mao/Kim/Trump; etc.
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1. God is capable of being rationally understood as the supernatural imaginary concept it is, incapable of being shown to be true or false, like many other abstract make believe notions in that category.
The real origin of everything, is theoretically capable of being fully understood rationally, scientifically .
2. “With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things.
But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”
Steven Weinberg
3. Commingling faith/belief (an acceptance, which lacks rational evidence, of something or people ) - with an understanding from knowledge based on empirical results.
For instance, it isn't necessary to hold belief/faith to understand gravity, or to understand the complete lack of coherent reasoning for God is sufficient without requiring a faith/belief for no God.
Not everyone has or even needs belief/faith.
The real origin of everything, is theoretically capable of being fully understood rationally, scientifically .
2. “With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things.
But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”
Steven Weinberg
3. Commingling faith/belief (an acceptance, which lacks rational evidence, of something or people ) - with an understanding from knowledge based on empirical results.
For instance, it isn't necessary to hold belief/faith to understand gravity, or to understand the complete lack of coherent reasoning for God is sufficient without requiring a faith/belief for no God.
Not everyone has or even needs belief/faith.
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1. A Great Faith indeed!
However -
What is the origin of the Origin?
What is time before the beginning of time?
What is the matter/mass before the first matter/mass existed?
What/Where is the space before the space is created?
What caused the moment of creation/Big-Bang (which is only a theory), why not earlier or later or never?
When will be another B-B, the 3rd B-B?
Was dark matter/energy created/produced by a non-visible/non-observable B-B?
...
3. A. " Not everyone has or even needs belief/faith. " - Is it a belief?
B. " For instance, it isn't necessary to hold belief/faith to understand gravity, ..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity
Modern alternative theories
Brans–Dicke theory of gravity (1961) [36]
Induced gravity (1967), a proposal by Andrei Sakharov according to which general relativity might arise from quantum field theories of matter
ƒ(R) gravity (1970)
Horndeski theory (1974) [37]
Supergravity (1976)
String theory
In the modified Newtonian dynamics (MOND) (1981), Mordehai Milgrom proposes a modification of Newton's Second Law of motion for small accelerations [38]
The self-creation cosmology theory of gravity (1982) by G.A. Barber in which the Brans-Dicke theory is modified to allow mass creation
Loop quantum gravity (1988) by Carlo Rovelli, Lee Smolin, and Abhay Ashtekar
Nonsymmetric gravitational theory (NGT) (1994) by John Moffat
Conformal gravity[39]
Tensor–vector–scalar gravity (TeVeS) (2004), a relativistic modification of MOND by Jacob Bekenstein
Gravity as an entropic force, gravity arising as an emergent phenomenon from the thermodynamic concept of entropy.
In the superfluid vacuum theory the gravity and curved space-time arise as a collective excitation mode of non-relativistic background superfluid.
Chameleon theory (2004) by Justin Khoury and Amanda Weltman.
Pressuron theory (2013) by Olivier Minazzoli and Aurélien Hees.
Historical alternative theories
Aristotelian theory of gravity
Le Sage's theory of gravitation (1784) also called LeSage gravity, proposed by Georges-Louis Le Sage, based on a fluid-based explanation where a light gas fills the entire universe.
Ritz's theory of gravitation, Ann. Chem. Phys. 13, 145, (1908) pp. 267–271, Weber-Gauss electrodynamics applied to gravitation. Classical advancement of perihelia.
Nordström's theory of gravitation (1912, 1913), an early competitor of general relativity.
Kaluza Klein theory (1921)
Whitehead's theory of gravitation (1922), another early competitor of general relativity.
However -
What is the origin of the Origin?
What is time before the beginning of time?
What is the matter/mass before the first matter/mass existed?
What/Where is the space before the space is created?
What caused the moment of creation/Big-Bang (which is only a theory), why not earlier or later or never?
When will be another B-B, the 3rd B-B?
Was dark matter/energy created/produced by a non-visible/non-observable B-B?
...
3. A. " Not everyone has or even needs belief/faith. " - Is it a belief?
B. " For instance, it isn't necessary to hold belief/faith to understand gravity, ..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity
Modern alternative theories
Brans–Dicke theory of gravity (1961) [36]
Induced gravity (1967), a proposal by Andrei Sakharov according to which general relativity might arise from quantum field theories of matter
ƒ(R) gravity (1970)
Horndeski theory (1974) [37]
Supergravity (1976)
String theory
In the modified Newtonian dynamics (MOND) (1981), Mordehai Milgrom proposes a modification of Newton's Second Law of motion for small accelerations [38]
The self-creation cosmology theory of gravity (1982) by G.A. Barber in which the Brans-Dicke theory is modified to allow mass creation
Loop quantum gravity (1988) by Carlo Rovelli, Lee Smolin, and Abhay Ashtekar
Nonsymmetric gravitational theory (NGT) (1994) by John Moffat
Conformal gravity[39]
Tensor–vector–scalar gravity (TeVeS) (2004), a relativistic modification of MOND by Jacob Bekenstein
Gravity as an entropic force, gravity arising as an emergent phenomenon from the thermodynamic concept of entropy.
In the superfluid vacuum theory the gravity and curved space-time arise as a collective excitation mode of non-relativistic background superfluid.
Chameleon theory (2004) by Justin Khoury and Amanda Weltman.
Pressuron theory (2013) by Olivier Minazzoli and Aurélien Hees.
Historical alternative theories
Aristotelian theory of gravity
Le Sage's theory of gravitation (1784) also called LeSage gravity, proposed by Georges-Louis Le Sage, based on a fluid-based explanation where a light gas fills the entire universe.
Ritz's theory of gravitation, Ann. Chem. Phys. 13, 145, (1908) pp. 267–271, Weber-Gauss electrodynamics applied to gravitation. Classical advancement of perihelia.
Nordström's theory of gravitation (1912, 1913), an early competitor of general relativity.
Kaluza Klein theory (1921)
Whitehead's theory of gravitation (1922), another early competitor of general relativity.
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1. No faith required!
However
What is the origin of the Origin?
How about... a natural origin from nothing. What's so wrong with that which needs the manufacturing of a supernatural origin which begs a further question about origin!?
And c'mon, scientific theory is not the same thing as "only a theory".
3. No.
It is understanding based upon the best evidence that tests, corrects and integrates, unless or until further and better such evidence comes along.
That's not belief.
Not in any reasonable sense where belief requires no rational test of evidence.