Atheism: Why People Don't Believe In God

[trendlover]

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In such case you have a case to bring in front of God indicating that you did not believe because of the mistakes in that book. Given that God is just he cannot blame you. But he may blame you for not looking at other possibilities, and he can argue that he gave you a brain, eyes, etc to look for the truth.


What if I look for "other possibilities" with my brain and eyes that the god gave me ? And my brain and eyes that the god gave me, they tell me to ask why does the god create people who will make mistakes that god will punish? The god make no sense to me. That is what my eyes and brain tell me. No god would make a mean game like that to watch like a mice in the maze. I think a god would be more kind and with compassion. That is my god.

 

[riskfreetrading]

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Quote from riskfreetrading:




What if I look for "other possibilities" with my brain and eyes that the god gave me ? And my brain and eyes that the god gave me, they tell me to ask why does the god create people who will make mistakes that god will punish? The god make no sense to me. That is what my eyes and brain tell me. No god would make a mean game like that to watch like a mice in the maze. I think a god would be more kind and with compassion. That is my god.

God will not punish you for making any mistakes, but for making INTENTIONAL mistake. An example would be if you are playing games right now with the question of God. If you are truthful with yourself there is nothing to be afraid of, because he knows what is in your heart, brain, intention etc.

You may ask why God punishes in the first place. It is because humans make INTENTIONAL crimes. It would be UNJUST from god not to favor the doers of good deeds compared to the doers of bad deeds.

So there is a ranking to be made among humans based on justice. Unlike a human judge who can be fooled by evidences, witnesses, etc, the diety God will not be fool because he knows everything, and you will not be able to dispute the facts.

 

[trendlover]

Quote from riskfreetrading:

the diety God will not be fool because he knows everything, and you will not be able to dispute the facts. [/B]

If that god know everything, why create people who make mistake that god will punish? That make no sense. That is what honestly I think. I think it is stupid.

 

[trendlover]

Riskfreetrading, for example with intentional to do bad or wrong, and god will punish for that like you say.
Sarah Palin say she is the believer in god. Then she is chosen for VP. Now everyone know her, and the media make her known too. Now people ask her to write a book, and she will make alot of money. She quit her job and tell the people of Alaska that her reason for that is because she do that to save money for the state of Alaska, so for the people of Alaska. And she say she pray to god to tell her what to do.
Is Sarah Palin "intentionally" lie to make money, or she really believe god want her to quit the job? I think she can make her god justify her lie to the people.

 

[riskfreetrading]

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If that god know everything, why create people who make mistake that god will punish? That make no sense. That is what honestly I think. I think it is stupid.

Think about this a little more. Take a human and a dog. Both can make mistakes, however unlike a dog a human have the ability to realize his mistakes or at least some awarness.

So humans can make mistakes, but are also equipped with the ability of awareness. That is a big gift humans have.

You may say why God humans that make mistakes in the first place. Let us consider that possibility then. If humans would not make mistakes there are many problems. They can pretend to be Gods. In addition by making human imperfect, God is letting humans know that they are limited and are definitely not God. Even with the realization that man can make mistakes, look just at this thread, and you will see how humans can pretend to be higher than what they are, while well knowing that they are limited and that they make mistakes.

 

[kut2k2]

It seems like you're making unfounded assumptions about what God is or is not. For example:

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God (that deserves to be worshipped) cannot do evil things, as otherwise he will not be fit to be God. God, Satan are just words, but their meaning are real in our minds.

Satan is viewed in our mind that it can do evil things. So he cannot be God. So the question of Satan is resolved.

With respect, it isn't. There are evil people in the world, so it is equally possible that there is a god of evil (let's call him Satan) if there is a god of good (let's call him God).

But we still haven't resolved the issue of how many gods, much less what kind of gods.

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God should be all knowing (because if he lacks knowledge, he should not be worshiped).

This seems arbitrary. What if a god was not all-knowing but he still knew much more than any human could possibly know? I'd certainly want to benefit from his wisdom if he was willing to share it.

Ancient peoples often worshipped finite gods, but they believed their gods were still much more powerful and wise than mere humans so they gave them the proper respect.

You can define God any way you wish but the question remains: what makes that definition the truth?

 

[riskfreetrading]

Quote from kut2k2:

It seems like you're making unfounded assumptions about what God is or is not. For example:


With respect, it isn't. There are evil people in the world, so it is equally possible that there is a god of evil (let's call him Satan) if there is a god of good (let's call him God).

But we still haven't resolved the issue of how many gods, much less what kind of gods.


This seems arbitrary. What if a god was not all-knowing but he still knew much more than any human could possibly know? I'd certainly want to benefit from his wisdom if he was willing to share it.

Ancient peoples often worshipped finite gods, but they believed their gods were still much more powerful and wise than mere humans so they gave them the proper respect.

You can define God any way you wish but the question remains: what makes that definition the truth?

A clarification: At this stage what I wrote are attributes that God MUST have (I am not saying at this stage that a God exist that has such attributes but rather that God must have those attributes). For instance, a God who has only partial knowledge only (in time, space, both, or other) cannot be just because to be a God-judge, God needs to know anything and everything across all time.

Review what I wrote based on the clarification, and see if your understanding is still the same. Also, I am short of time now. We can discuss things later.

 

[kut2k2]

Quote from riskfreetrading:

A clarification: At this stage what I wrote are attributes that God MUST have (I am not saying at this stage that a God exist that has such attributes but rather that God must have those attributes). For instance, a God who has only partial knowledge only (in time, space, both, or other) cannot be just because to be a God-judge, God needs to know anything and everything across all time.

Well aside from the unexplained claim that a god MUST be just, I don't see why a just god must also be omniscient. You're making claims about gods without backing them up.

 

[byteme]

Quote from riskfreetrading:

You will not even look at it, I am certain. You will just appose it before looking at it. I am not one of those who will beg you to look at the evidence. It is your problem, not mine.

riskfreetrading, in all seriousness, I have definitive and conclusive proof that God does not exist.

However, I'm not going to reveal this proof to you as you will not be willing to look at the evidence.

 

[acronym]

Quote from kut2k2:

It seems like you're making unfounded assumptions about what God is or is not. For example:


With respect, it isn't. There are evil people in the world, so it is equally possible that there is a god of evil (let's call him Satan) if there is a god of good (let's call him God).

But we still haven't resolved the issue of how many gods, much less what kind of gods.


This seems arbitrary. What if a god was not all-knowing but he still knew much more than any human could possibly know? I'd certainly want to benefit from his wisdom if he was willing to share it.

Ancient peoples often worshipped finite gods, but they believed their gods were still much more powerful and wise than mere humans so they gave them the proper respect.

You can define God any way you wish but the question remains: what makes that definition the truth?

Give me a vengefull Zuess, a hunter goddess, a mischievous messenger and a nasty Poseidon anyday.

At least they had there shit compartmentalized, delineated. Knew where they stood.


One god, could never take control of all these different things.....to much work.

Oh wait, people invented all of those gods.
They can never have existed, because theres only one true god, who, seemingly is as evil, rotten, vengeful and stupid as all ancient gods put together.

Case closed, christianity is a sick death cult, as is any other monotheistic paradigm/cult.


Oh, and all polytheist cults too.
There is nothing on the other side guys.