Atheism: Why People Don't Believe In God

[Ricter]

Quote from kut2k2:

Purpose is not observation, purpose guides observation.

What is a tree? Ask a botanist. I'm sure he or she could tell you some things you never imagined. That doesn't mean no human has or ever could have imagined them.

Scientific imagination is guided by reality. Religious imagination is guided by fear, wishful thinking, deceit and lust for power.

I believe purpose is a form of observation, because like forms of observation, it too filters reality.

This is what makes the scientific worldview such a powerful position, it's utilitarianism on a material level is unmatched. It filters very well for keeping human bodies alive.

But if you want to argue that everything is on a material level, then let's run with that. Human behavior looks more all the time like it can be explained as "nothing but" (science's favorite hobby) evolutionary neurochemistry, so now free will is on the table. Let's dispense with it, because it's been a thorn in my liberal toe for decades! : )

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from Ricter:

What I describe is intellectual openness. That doesn't mean we can't build a better mousetrap.

The atheist says, "it can not be." The agnostic (the position of a true scientist, imho) says, "it could be, but show me the evidence." The believer says, "it is, whether you see it or not." Who of the three is the most open?

many if not most of atheists were once believers. they say i examined my belief and found no evidence so i rejected it.
the believer says. i will believe no matter the evidence.
who is open minded?

 

[Ricter]

Quote from vhehn:

many if not most of atheists were once believers. they say i examined my belief and found no evidence so i rejected it.
the believer says. i will believe no matter the evidence.
who is open minded?

The agnostic is the open-minded one, imo.

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from Ricter:

The agnostic is the open-minded one, imo.

absolute agnosticism is a cop out. You conceding that you are not competent enough to make a rational analysis based on fact. There is no absolute certainty in this world, yet it is safe to make general assumptions based on proven facts. I know there is no big foot, I know there are no wizards and witches or god, because I put my trust in the concept of verifiable evidence.

 

[kut2k2]

Quote from Ricter:

I believe purpose is a form of observation, because like forms of observation, it too filters reality.

This is what makes the scientific worldview such a powerful position, it's utilitarianism on a material level is unmatched. It filters very well for keeping human bodies alive.

But if you want to argue that everything is on a material level, then let's run with that. Human behavior looks more all the time like it can be explained as "nothing but" (science's favorite hobby) evolutionary neurochemistry, so now free will is on the table. Let's dispense with it, because it's been a thorn in my liberal toe for decades! : )

I won't argue over the definition of purpose, we just see it differently.

As far as your free will claim, I don't know of a single liberal who wants to do away with it, which makes you a fake liberal. As far as human behavior being "nothing but" neurochemistry, I suggest you acquaint yourself with Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle. Free will is here to stay.

 

[riskfreetrading]

Quote from vhehn:

if you have something new? i am all ears.

You are a liar, because you will not look at the evidence at all.

 

[riskfreetrading]

Quote from BernardRichards:



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You do not believe in God either, even if you think you do. You have even insulted God multiple times.

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from riskfreetrading:

You are a liar, because you will not look at the evidence at all.

i can easily prove you wrong. post your best evidence and i will look at it. i only ask one thing. think before you post.

 

[Ricter]

Quote from kut2k2:

I won't argue over the definition of purpose, we just see it differently.

As far as your free will claim, I don't know of a single liberal who wants to do away with it, which makes you a fake liberal. As far as human behavior being "nothing but" neurochemistry, I suggest you acquaint yourself with Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle. Free will is here to stay.

Been there. Heisenberg is essential to my assertion that purpose filters, that is "alters", reality.

 

[riskfreetrading]

Quote from vhehn:

i can easily prove you wrong. post your best evidence and i will look at it.

You will not even look at it, I am certain. You will just appose it before looking at it. I am not one of those who will beg you to look at the evidence. It is your problem, not mine.