Atheism is a or is a product of mental illness...

[Thunderdog]

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[killthesunshine]

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No need for the frown. Just because a day ends doesn't mean it can't be a good one.

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[killthesunshine]

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

Two different possibilities:

1. Atheism is a mental disorder.
2. Atheism is the product of a mental disorder. Atheism would be a reaction to severe psychological damage of painful religious conditioning as a child, leading to a reactive move toward atheism and against religion. It is a kind of "snapping"* from one extreme of devout religious belief to an equivalently devout non religious belief.

In either case, the condition of a practicing atheist would be the product of some mental illness, either atheism itself or something else that drove a person to adopt atheism.

Bottom line would be that the person who was an atheist would be suffering from a mental illness/disorder of some kind...

*snapping:

The authors Flo Conway and Jim Siegelman describe snapping as:

"an experience that is unmistakably traumatic ... Sudden change comes in a moment of intense experience that is not so much a peak as a precipice, an unforeseen break in the continuity of awareness that may leave them detached, withdrawn, disoriented - and utterly confused."

disbelief or skepticism in that which there is little or no evidence is mental illness??

but, on the contrary, complete and total intellectual confidence in specific a fantastic supernatural is an example for mental health??

ROFL!

you may or may not be insane, but you are irrational NO DOUBT!! LOL

 

[OPTIONAL777]

Intellectual ideas are not the mental illness.

The mental illness is seen underlying the dogmatism of the atheists and their need to prove their ideas and disprove the ideas of the non atheists.

It is one thing to say a man of emotion and faith may be driven by non reason to act, but when the so called rationalists who are flaunting reason objectivity and intellect are acting in the same manner as those they claim unreasonable, then mental illness on the part of the so called rationalists is a logical conclusion.

You are definitely INSANE. Likely have a tiny little member too...

Quote from killthesunshine:

disbelief or skepticism in that which there is little or no evidence is mental illness??

but, on the contrary, complete and total intellectual confidence in specific a fantastic supernatural is an example for mental health??

ROFL!

you may or may not be insane, but you are irrational NO DOUBT!! LOL

 

[Thunderdog]

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

...The mental illness is seen underlying the dogmatism of the atheists and their need to prove their ideas and disprove the ideas of the non atheists...

Then why are theists regularly engaged in false attribution or the quoting out of context those people who clearly do not share their views? What does that make them?

 

[OPTIONAL777]

Well, the atheists claim the theists are emotional and irrational, so if they are correct in their description of the theist, what you describe would be normal for a theist.

Why then do we see the so called rational and unemotional atheists behaving the exact same way as the theists in these threads?

Only a mental illness would explain the cognitive dissonance that they deny and say doesn't exist...

Quote from Thunderdog:

Then why are theists regularly engaged in false attribution or the quoting out of context those people who clearly do not share their views? What does that make them?

 

[Thunderdog]

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

Well, the atheists claim the theists are emotional and irrational, so if they are correct in their description of the theist, what you describe would be normal for a theist.

Why then do we see the so called rational and unemotional atheists behaving the exact same way as the theists in these threads?

Perhaps I am mistaken, but I do not recall a single instance of false attribution made by an atheist in this forum. However, this forum is replete with theists drawing false attributions and taking out of context either the writings or utterances of scientists or historical political figures. It seems that theists feel incomplete without them, and so they create a fantasy to live by that gives them comfort. Why does that sound familiar?

 

[killthesunshine]

come to think of it thunderdog you are right!

 

[Mike805]

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

And you are saying that man is 100% physical?

Tell me, what is the physical property of a human thought?

No, no the electrical impulses of the brain, but the thought itself which is not the physical impulses of the brain any more than a CD itself is the music that comes from playing the CD.

What is the atomic weight of a thought?

What is the size of a human concept? Which human sense is implemented in experiencing thoughts, ideas, concepts, etc?

Sight, hearing, touch, smell and taste allow us to experience the outer world, but what we experience inside is not via the physical senses.

Yes we have a physical body, but is it logically possible that we have a mental body, or an astral body, or some other subtle body that does continue after the physical body is gone?

Why is it know that human consciousness is a product of the brain and not a non physical mind.

Radio waves are physical which are then played through a radio produce music, but the radio itself is not the source of the radio waves.

It is not known that electrical impulses in the brain, chemical reactions actually produce thoughts, or if they are only a means to be receptive to thoughts which are not the product of the product of gross physical processes which allow for receptivity of thought.

No, there is plenty of unsolved mystery about human existence and the human mind, which means that scientists must not come to conclusions as factual where fact cannot be determined.

Here is where things get interesting - particularly for me because you hit upon my long time field of study - Electrical Engineering. I did quite a bit of graduate work in machine learning algos, neural networks, AI etc.

So to answer your question, YES human thought is an ORGANIC process. Purely driven by electrochemical reactions and logically replicable by any sophisticated computer.

In fact, all of our experiences with the external environment can be boiled down to electrochemical reactions. Thoughts are readable to a certain extent using MRI-like techniques. Thought decode is a work in progress.

Honestly, I wish I was better at writing out what I intend to communicate, but, the short answer is that the "soul" is a human construct. All the things you mention have been explained in the last 10 years or so by most of the AI/Biomedical Engineering community. In fact, one of my professors wrote a book that will be interesting to you:
http://www.amazon.com/Heaven-Chip-Visions-Society-Science/dp/0609805673

The only fair game left so to speak is Quantum Mechanics where we are still unaware of the real mechanisms governing the strong/weak nuclear force. This is where some scientists claim a "God" exists, but, this is a metaphorical God that represents a lack of knowledge rather than an explanation of the unknown.

 

[OPTIONAL777]

Not a single false attribution?

LOL!

Quote from Thunderdog:

Perhaps I am mistaken, but I do not recall a single instance of false attribution made by an atheist in this forum. However, this forum is replete with theists drawing false attributions and taking out of context either the writings or utterances of scientists or historical political figures. It seems that theists feel incomplete without them, and so they create a fantasy to live by that gives them comfort. Why does that sound familiar?