atheism and axeman have fallen

[axeman]

GA wonders why I didnt bother to reply AGAIN to
his bad arguments.


Notice the following. I show a CLEAR biblical contradiction.
The bible commands that THOU SHALT NOT KILL.
THEN... I show an instance where god sends wild animals
to kill babies. A CLEAR contradiction.


AXE:3) God sends wild animals sent to kill infants, but THOU SHALT NOT KILL!!


Now watch very closely what the reply is:


CONT REPLIES: MOST atheist believe that their is NO GOD and that the above Scripture you referenced is EVIL but yet the continue to kill the unborn- at a rate of about 30 million a year in the U.S.



Ahem.... what in the hell does this have to do with the point at hand??? NOTHING.
It is a DODGE, and a very poor one indeed.
As if were not going to notice that he FAILED to disolve
the contradiction at hand.

Even we ACCEPT that atheists kill 30 million a year in the U.S.,
this DOES NOT in anyway disolve the fact that god sent
wild animals to kill infants in the bible, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME,
commanding that THOU SHALT NOT KILL.


And you wonder why I dont bother answering all your
silly explainations for the bible contradictions?
Its because your explainations fall flat on their face
all by themselves. They are not explainations at all!
Its so obvious, I dont even have to address them.


You only further show you complete LACK of reasoning skill.
Please continue, its quite entertaining.

peace

axeman

 

[Guardian Angel]

Quote from axeman:

GA wonders why I didn't bother to reply AGAIN to
his bad arguments.


Notice the following. I show a CLEAR biblical contradiction.
The bible commands that THOU SHALT NOT KILL.
THEN... I show an instance where god sends wild animals
to kill babies. A CLEAR contradiction.


AXE:3) God sends wild animals sent to kill infants, but THOU SHALT NOT KILL!!



You are correct that a cursory glance at the above text would appear to be an apparent contradiction. However after further study of the text you will see the same word used for "kill" in the original language was the term to describe "murder"- the death of the innocent. If you are going to quote this verse you need to also point out the fact that God instituted the death penalty for violation of his commandments. There are several instances in the Bible where God judged individuals for their sin which resulted in the death of their physical bodies.
God DOES judge sin. and the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life. THAT IS NO contradiction.


Biblical definitions: (Original Hebrew Language)

Killing: Death of the guilty.
Murder: Death of the innocent.

In the Old Testament God would judge a nation with another nation. In those times the earth was a barbaric place and men did what was right in their own eyes. God would often judge these nations for their evil deeds. At one point in Biblical history God even removed his protection over Isreal and allowed them to be led into captivity by their enemies as a direct result of disobedience to God's commands and these were his chosen people!

I agree Contrarian did not do a good job at tackling the issue of apparent contradiction within the text.

Now that I have answered the above will you answer my contradictions of your statement:

Quote from axeman:

AXE:3) God sends wild animals sent to kill infants, but THOU SHALT NOT KILL!!

In case you haven't noticed, the modern body of
scientific knowledge is directly against you.
creationist isn't even taken seriously by the scientific community.

Darwinian Evolution? It is because of the above statement
that atheist kill millions of innocent unborn children everyday in the U.S.A.

"Babies are innocent by any reasonable definition.
I reject any silly story which says you are BORN a sinner/guilty."

"Slaughtering infants would be considered evil by any rational
modern human being."

Then WHY do atheist partake in partial birth abortion?
Why did they lobby Capital Hill to make it legal?

by your above statement if killing of the innocent is wrong then why are most of the everyday killing in the country done by atheist via abortion?

By the way "MOST" of the murderers are atheist physicians performing the killing of the unborn.

It would appear to me that your statements are contradictory and hypocritical.

this is getting very interesting.

thank you for your response.

 

[axeman]

You have NOT solved the contradiction.

Even if I were to accept your argument that kill REALLY
means murder, which is debatable, this doesnt solve
your problem.


God KILLS innocent children! This is murder by any rational standard.

How can an infant be guilty and deserve to be killed????

God clearly MURDERED and KILLED babies.

The contradiction clearly stands.


As for your attack on evolution, it is a Red Herring designed
to derail the main point on this argument.
It is irrelevant. I show you a biblical contradiction and
you reply with evolution is false?? HUH???
What does that have to do with anything???



peace

axeman

Quote from Guardian Angel:





Now that I have answered the above will you answer my contradictions of your statement:

Quote from axeman:

AXE:3) God sends wild animals sent to kill infants, but THOU SHALT NOT KILL!!

In case you haven't noticed, the modern body of
scientific knowledge is directly against you.
creationist isn't even taken seriously by the scientific community.

Darwinian Evolution? It is because of the above statement
that atheist kill millions of innocent unborn children everyday in the U.S.A.

"Babies are innocent by any reasonable definition.
I reject any silly story which says you are BORN a sinner/guilty."

"Slaughtering infants would be considered evil by any rational
modern human being."

Then WHY do atheist partake in partial birth abortion?
Why did they lobby Capital Hill to make it legal?

by your above statement if killing of the innocent is wrong then why are most of the everyday killing in the country done by atheist via abortion?

By the way "MOST" of the murderers are atheist physicians performing the killing of the unborn.

It would appear to me that your statements are contradictory and hypocritical.

this is getting very interesting.

thank you for your response.

 

[Guardian Angel]

Quote from axeman:

You have NOT solved the contradiction.

Even if I were to accept your argument that kill REALLY
means murder, which is debatable, this doesn't solve
your problem.


God KILLS innocent children! This is murder by any rational standard.

The "children" were not innocent in the fact that they would have been murdered by their parents anyway.

How can an infant be guilty and deserve to be killed????
The Canaanite had no regard for their children anyway.
And God in his infinite wisdom has perfect knowledge of eternal past, present and future.

God clearly MURDERED and KILLED babies.
NO. God allowed the guilty to lose their children to the sword in divine judgement.


The contradiction clearly stands.
It is not a contradiction. It is historical fact.

O.K. further explanation is warranted. Normally I would rather discuss reasons for why I believe the Bible is divine rather than human in origin. Anyway I digress. Let's deal with the topic at hand........- killing of "innocent babies".

I must prepare you though.......YOUR NOT GOING TO LIKE IT!


When God instructed the Isrealites to take the land of Canaan he also instructed them to destroy the inhabitants of the land and to leave none standing. God in his infinite wisdom and omniscient knew that the Canaanite infant children would grow up to serve the god Molech and offer their children to the fire as well. This was an abomination in the site of God.
You see the Canaanite and surrounding nations were already sacrificing their children to the god Molech by dropping them into the burning fire. So God's judgement was upon them. Sort of like the U.S. and partial birth abortion. See the similarities. Drawn out to its logical conclusion the U.S. is no different the the Canaanite of that time.

See I told you. You would not like my answer.


As for your attack on evolution, it is a Red Herring designed
to derail the main point on this argument.
It is irrelevant. I show you a biblical contradiction and
you reply with evolution is false?? HUH???
What does that have to do with anything???

It has alot to do with it. I have shown you the error of your strawman argument. Atheism is what led to the reprobate practices of ancient palestine in the land of Canaan. They rejected God and his statutes. Without God's commandments man is left without morality and left to his own devices.

You posed a question. I answered.
I posed a question. You did NOT answer.
Is this not the normal discourse of communication?

 

[axeman]

AXE:Even if I were to accept your argument that kill REALLY
means murder, which is debatable, this doesn't solve
your problem.
God KILLS innocent children! This is murder by any rational standard.

Now listen to this ludicrous reply:

GA: The "children" were not innocent in the fact that they would have been murdered by their parents anyway.


YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!
Do you actually believe for one MILLISECOND this is
actually a REASONABLE reply???????
They were NOT innocent ***BECAUSE** their parents
would have murdered them anyway???????????
You are truly logically impaired, and possibly insane or
mentally retarded.
The contradiction clearly stands.


AXE:God clearly MURDERED and KILLED babies.
CONT: NO. God allowed the guilty to lose their children to the sword in divine judgement.

Another sick and twisted reply.


CLEARLY.... you COMPLETELY lack anything that even remotely
resembles the ability to reason.

You have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you
are a WASTE OF TIME for anyone, including myself to debate.
You utterly lack the minimal amount of skills required to hold
a rational discussion.

I rest my case.



peace

axeman

ps. Im not sure if I should laugh my ass off at one of the
most ridiculous replies of ALL TIME, or to feel sad that people
THIS completely brainwashed exist, that they have completely
lost all human faculty to reason

 

[Guardian Angel]

Quote from axeman:

AXE:Even if I were to accept your argument that kill REALLY
means murder, which is debatable, this doesn't solve
your problem.
God KILLS innocent children! This is murder by any rational standard.

Now listen to this ludicrous reply:

GA: The "children" were not innocent in the fact that they would have been murdered by their parents anyway.


YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!
Do you actually believe for one MILLISECOND this is
actually a REASONABLE reply???????
They were NOT innocent ***BECAUSE** their parents
would have murdered them anyway???????????
You are truly logically impaired, and possibly insane or
mentally retarded.
The contradiction clearly stands.

You do not understand. I am not implying that the babies were guilty of sin but rather their parents were. It is a historical fact that the Canaanites practised burning thier children in the fire as a sacrifice to Molech.



AXE:God clearly MURDERED and KILLED babies.
CONT: NO. God allowed the guilty to lose their children to the sword in divine judgement.

Another sick and twisted reply.

Sick to you because you do not understand death.
Your concept of death is a morbid one. If you hold this to be true then the fact that people die in car crashes and natural causes should outrage you.



What is so hard to understand?

God clearly stated that the wages of sin is death.
Your view of death is completly morbid is it not?

Let me walk you through this one more time.
When God took the Egyptians first born male child was that murder or killing?

Answer: Killing. Killing in and of itself is not morally wrong.
The babies were not guilty of sin. This is true however their parents were guilty of sin and thus the penalty was death. In this case the death of their children. When the innocent children who were incapable of understanding right or wrong , good or evil died as a direct result of judgement they went directly to be with God in heaven. However their respective parents went directly to hell at death. Theology 101: death = eternal separation from God.

Now that I have answered your questions why not try to answer mine? Since we are on the subject of death and killing and murder and apparent contridictions.

Quote from axeman:

AXE:3) God sends wild animals sent to kill infants, but THOU SHALT NOT KILL!!

In case you haven't noticed, the modern body of
scientific knowledge is directly against you.
creationist isn't even taken seriously by the scientific community.

Darwinian Evolution? It is because of the above statement
that atheist kill millions of innocent unborn children everyday in the U.S.A.

"Babies are innocent by any reasonable definition.
I reject any silly story which says you are BORN a sinner/guilty."

"Slaughtering infants would be considered evil by any rational
modern human being."

Then WHY do atheist partake in partial birth abortion?
Why did they lobby Capital Hill to make it legal?

by your above statement if killing of the innocent is wrong then why are most of the everyday killing in the country done by atheist via abortion?

By the way "MOST" of the murderers are atheist physicians performing the killing of the unborn.

It would appear to me that your statements are contradictory and hypocritical.

p.s. by the way even if we did away with capital punishment and all violent crime and fatal accidents........men would still die because the wages of sin = death. but the gift of God is eternal life- "Life after death"- in heaven with God the Father and creator of the universe.

Once you reply to the above we can move on to why I believe the Bible is divine rather than human in origin.

 

[Guardian Angel]

Do you now understand the Biblical text in relation to God's judgement and the taking of the 1st born male in Egypt?

Do you now comprehend the idea of death of the innocent vs. death of the guilty. God often throughout the old testament took the natural lives of human beings and thier offspring in response to his moral judgement of sin.

Whether or not you agree with this you can atleast understand it.

Now can we move on to your explanation to my argument of the effect on atheism on our society?

i.e. partial birth abortion.

 

[axeman]

"The babies were not guilty of sin. This is true however their parents were guilty of sin and thus the penalty was death"

So you admit this is true.
Therefore: Since god killed them, IT WAS MURDER! Duh!

But wait...now your argument is that its NOT murder,
because their PARENTS and NOT THE INFANTS were guilty?!?!?

You are mentally insane, or simply a complete idiot, or who
knows what else. In any case...really screwed up in the head.


I rest my case further. This is the most idiotic argument
I have heard in over a decade.


I am utterly stunned at how you could believe anything
this obviously wrong, absurd, and idiotic.

NO rational person would accept your assertion that
an INFANT is guilty and deserves the penalty of DEATH
****BECAUSE THEIR PARENTS ARE GUILTY *****.

You are one seriously scary and screwed up individual.



peace

axeman

 

[Guardian Angel]

Quote from axeman:

"The babies were not guilty of sin. This is true however their parents were guilty of sin and thus the penalty was death"

So you admit this is true.
Therefore: Since god killed them, IT WAS MURDER! Duh!

But wait...now your argument is that its NOT murder,
because their PARENTS and NOT THE INFANTS were guilty?!?!?

You are mentally insane, or simply a complete idiot, or who
knows what else. In any case...really screwed up in the head.


I rest my case further. This is the most idiotic argument
I have heard in over a decade.


I am utterly stunned at how you could believe anything
this obviously wrong, absurd, and idiotic.

NO rational person would accept your assertion that
an INFANT is guilty and deserves the penalty of DEATH
****BECAUSE THEIR PARENTS ARE GUILTY *****.

You are one seriously scary and screwed up individual.



peace

axeman

I know that it is hard to swallow. Let us take a break here and focus on some other points. You wanted an answer and I gave you one. I know that you do not understand it but that does not change the facts that God judges sin.

You seem to have a problem with death. Death is a part of life. We will all die sooner or later. That is a fact. The death rate has never changed since the begining of time.

The death reat is still one per person.

Now answer my above questions about YOUR apparent contridictions within your belief system.

 

[axeman]

I understand what you SAID.
Its the meaning which I completely reject as any rational person should.


I dont have a problem with death. I accept it as a part of life.

You have made it painfully clear that no rational man should
attempt to debate you since you clearly do not posses
the required instruments of reason.

Anyone who believes a baby deserves DEATH because
of their parents guilt is NOT a reasonable person.

I will not debate anything further with such a person.
Its pointless.

I rest my case.

peace

axeman

Quote from Guardian Angel:



I know that it is hard to swallow. Let us take a break here and focus on some other points. You wanted an answer and I gave you one. I know that you do not understand it but that does not change the facts that God judges sin.

You seem to have a problem with death. Death is a part of life. We will all die sooner or later. That is a fact. The death rate has never changed since the begining of time.

The death reat is still one per person.

Now answer my above questions about YOUR apparent contridictions within your belief system.