At what price BP?

Quote from Gubinec:

Even in a worst case scenario, there's no way BP can go to zero.


I really don't know why this would be the case. I think any stock could go to 0, or at least .01 or whatever. Realize the the book value of BP, their cash position, all of that and more is going to be pounded by the expenses they are incurring, the 1000s of lawsuits coming, etc. Nothing looks good for BP, because people will demand any profits, etc. go to the Gulf Coast area, even if BP ever does really recover.

I just thought of this today as well - what mutual fund is going to want to send out reports showing they hold BP? Not just because of the loss in value, but BP is completely hated by almost everyone now. I think all mutual funds are selling their BP as fast as possible.

Don't know how low it will go, but I'm not going to get stuck guessing either.

JJacksET4
 
may be another couple of bucks lower but buying here is good opportunity

if you look at weekly bp chat huge h&s pattern and neck line is around $35-36

which gives 5 to 6 bucks upside from here

will buy around 29-28 range
 
Quote from Robert Weinstein:

If BP America ends tomorrow the total BP as best I can come up with would drop in value about half. They could let BP america fail and still come close to keeping the dividend or for sake of arguement cut it in half and be the same as they are now. With that being said if you cut the company in half you have a company with a PE of 10 and a yield of 4%+.

I am sure that the main BP corp would be subject to lawsuits but I do not see how anyone could collect if they simply wrote off America. Then you also have the fact that someone has to take over the assets and that could be BP America 2.0 or something along those lines. 100s of billions of dollars of exposure? I think anything is possible but that is really pushing it to an extreme.

I am clearly not happy I stepped in BP as I had my worst day in a while and maybe a top five for the year but it is now trading near the price of the oil reserves. For this stock to go lower one has to believe that the company is taken under by lawsuits including the main corp BP. At some point politics will play a role and I think the damage done while maybe large is not in the ballpark of what the media is saying and leaving us to believe. After all we had a huge leak back in 1979 or about and as we can all see oil is mostly biodegradable and will be gone in a year or two even if nothing was done that would not be done absent the spill. Hotels may have a cause of action but if they can't show that oil is on their beach it is going to be difficult to show how BP caused the hotel harm. Just because the media reports an event does not mean everyone can file a suit and win. An example is if you watch a car crash and someone dies but you are not part of the accident. You can't sue as your not part of the accident and are only a witness regardless of the emotional impact. If a hotel can not show that their beach or water is ruined (and from what I heard on the radio today if I recall correctly only three counties in FL have their beaches closed) I think they may have a lot of trouble showing a cause of action. Just because the media blows it out of reality (not that they would ever do such a thing) does not give a cause of action from what I understand but I am also not a lawyer so I very well could be wrong.

What BP needs is some leadership and this mess will go away like it did for exxon and we will all be wishing we bought as much as we could at these prices. One good news story about the leak being plugged and this stock jumps hard and fast. The day is coming regardless of Mr. Haywards best attempt to let it drag on as long as possible......

I sure hope you are right. I was long July $33 put and sold Oct $25 put against it. I was assuming that the worse will be known in a month or so when I did the option spread.

Today, I sold the the July $33 put, leaving the Oct $25 put I wrote "naked" so am anxious about this Chapter 11 news.

I won't mind getting BP about $25 or so if it isn't going bk.
 
Quote from Robert Weinstein:

If BP America ends tomorrow the total BP as best I can come up with would drop in value about half. They could let BP america fail and still come close to keeping the dividend or for sake of arguement cut it in half and be the same as they are now. With that being said if you cut the company in half you have a company with a PE of 10 and a yield of 4%+.

I am sure that the main BP corp would be subject to lawsuits but I do not see how anyone could collect if they simply wrote off America. Then you also have the fact that someone has to take over the assets and that could be BP America 2.0 or something along those lines. 100s of billions of dollars of exposure? I think anything is possible but that is really pushing it to an extreme.

I am clearly not happy I stepped in BP as I had my worst day in a while and maybe a top five for the year but it is now trading near the price of the oil reserves. For this stock to go lower one has to believe that the company is taken under by lawsuits including the main corp BP. At some point politics will play a role and I think the damage done while maybe large is not in the ballpark of what the media is saying and leaving us to believe. After all we had a huge leak back in 1979 or about and as we can all see oil is mostly biodegradable and will be gone in a year or two even if nothing was done that would not be done absent the spill. Hotels may have a cause of action but if they can't show that oil is on their beach it is going to be difficult to show how BP caused the hotel harm. Just because the media reports an event does not mean everyone can file a suit and win. An example is if you watch a car crash and someone dies but you are not part of the accident. You can't sue as your not part of the accident and are only a witness regardless of the emotional impact. If a hotel can not show that their beach or water is ruined (and from what I heard on the radio today if I recall correctly only three counties in FL have their beaches closed) I think they may have a lot of trouble showing a cause of action. Just because the media blows it out of reality (not that they would ever do such a thing) does not give a cause of action from what I understand but I am also not a lawyer so I very well could be wrong.

What BP needs is some leadership and this mess will go away like it did for exxon and we will all be wishing we bought as much as we could at these prices. One good news story about the leak being plugged and this stock jumps hard and fast. The day is coming regardless of Mr. Haywards best attempt to let it drag on as long as possible......

Robert, that sucks, I feel for you. I got into BP around the same time as you, near the beginning of this thread. I got 1000 shares @ $37, but I also bought some put protection, I bought 11 July puts with a strike of $40.

In total I'm down about $1100, but considering I should be down about $8000 without the puts, I'm pretty happy. And because of my slightly bearish bias with 11 contracts vs 1000 shares, I actually gained $200 on my position today over yesterday. I'm going to hold BP until OPEX in July, in hopes that some good news pops this back up to over $40.

I don't think BP will go bankrupt, however, considering how crazy people are shitting on this stock, who knows where it will end up.

But BP makes too much money and the US would rather have it around as its lapdog rather than kill it. BP is employing thousands of umemployed people in the South and injecting billions of dollars into the communities, something that wouldn't have been done otherwise, so really this is a win for Obama. Billions of dollars that normally would have gone into the coffers of BP are being diverted into the South, and that's probably the best stimulus package they could ever dream of.

If Obama pushes too hard, which I believe he is stupidly doing right now, they very well could kill the goose that lays the golden egg by inadvertently forcing BP into bankruptcy. Politicians laying into BP and trying to force them to cut the dividend is disgusting... since when should the government be telling a business how to run itself? If they do cut the dividend and the share price falls even further, it could really spin the company out of control, which could seriously derail all these efforts, so these fucking politicians should watch themselves.
 
Quote from atticus:

I absolutely concede that the outright short BP R/R was a better proposition over the two days, but that wasn't the wager (60-days).

note that you certainly did not make a wager with me. and in particular not about BP/DO spread...
the wager is really done between atticus and atticus and as such you should consider starting a new journal thread - and not polute the thread about BP. we all know you are a smart guy so stay on the topic here.

I entered this thread because I thought that this trade is a nonsense from a value perspective.
but that does not mean that if I disagree with your trade i would be taking the other side - that's something which is likely over your head.

explicitly I said 3 days ago:
"yeah sure - must be a lovely pair trade in such a volatility. on top of that there are plenty of possible scenarios where DO goes to hell while BP nicely chimes along..."

look what these stock (and the spread) were doing during the past 3 days...



Quote from atticus:

I will calc intraday and closing var and peak to trough on the position over 60 days, regardless of my position, currently flat.


LOL. that's what i am talking about. talking the talk is the way ET lives...

p.s. BP is up 4 buck pre-market. crazy
will short at 32.90s for a quick scalp. SL ~0935ET
 
Yesterday, near the close, I recommended to a friend to cover BP shorts. This morning, pre-market, BP is nearly at $33. The poor guy looks like he lost all his profits and is looking right at an unrealized loss.
 
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