At what price BP?

Quote from Robert Weinstein:

I think the biggest mistake so far has been not simply writting puts against the stock so that I can wait it out. After watching the IV imploded yesterday I was getting the feeling that the price was bottomed out and that we may start to see some real buying step up. I think that may be a little further off as was clearly shown today.

Best of luck to all

I don't understand why you're long stuff like this, there is no MR potential here. Please do not short puts, even though they're 90 on the vol-line. Today the stock lost nearly what's in the July ATMs.
 
Quote from S2007S:

BP new 52 week lows, why anyone would buy this stock is beyond me, there are hundreds of unanswered questions and lawsuits upon lawsuits coming up. That 9% dividend will start to disappear.

Stock is headed down a lot further, get ready.


It depends if you're buying at as an investment or a trade. It's more than a 10% dividend by the way.

BP can lay down 10 billiion without blinking. Remember, their profit last year was more than 20 billion.


Even if they had to give up a couple of year's profits, they're still a bargain at this price. They have billions of barrels in oil reserves which they own. Just selling those alone would pretty much cover the current market cap. So basically, if you buy now, you're buying oil reserves, and then you get that whole BP company thing for free, and the 20 billion dollars a year profit. So, worst case scenario you don't get to collect that profit for a couple of years, who cares?

The above is probably one of the most intelligent things you'll ever read on ET.

I hope the price crashes so some really dumb people can laugh at me, and prove that they can't even understand such a simple idea.
 
Bought more of the DO/BP pairs-trade at the closing print. DO will rally $2-3 tomorrow. Expecting spread to rally 1.00 or more. Cost basis of 21.88 across the book.
 
Quote from joe4422:

It depends if you're buying at as an investment or a trade. It's more than a 10% dividend by the way.

BP can lay down 10 billiion without blinking. Remember, their profit last year was more than 20 billion.


Even if they had to give up a couple of year's profits, they're still a bargain at this price. They have billions of barrels in oil reserves which they own. Just selling those alone would pretty much cover the current market cap. So basically, if you buy now, you're buying oil reserves, and then you get that whole BP company thing for free, and the 20 billion dollars a year profit. So, worst case scenario you don't get to collect that profit for a couple of years, who cares?

The above is probably one of the most intelligent things you'll ever read on ET.

I hope the price crashes so some really dumb people can laugh at me, and prove that they can't even understand such a simple idea.

If you think the stock is a bargain at a 10% divy, just wait until it gets to a 100% divy. That divy can be terminated by a PR tomorrow, and then what happens to the stock price? As far as BP's earning power goes, how much does it cost to clean-up the gulf of spilled oil, meet all of the environmental regulations, and pay all the states along the gulf for lost revenue from the adverse impacts to tourism and employment?
 
Quote from Retief:

If you think the stock is a bargain at a 10% divy, just wait until it gets to a 100% divy. That divy can be terminated by a PR tomorrow, and then what happens to the stock price? As far as BP's earning power goes, how much does it cost to clean-up the gulf of spilled oil, meet all of the environmental regulations, and pay all the states along the gulf for lost revenue from the adverse impacts to tourism and employment?

Exactly. This is not a bond with a fixed-coupon. The weekly stat-vol exceeds the yearly payout, which will more than likely be cut dramatically by the end of the second quarter. One of the most intelligent posts on ET? wow.
 
Quote from Swan Noir:

Given BP's partial success capturing a third or more of the flow (with a reasonable expectation of improvement from here) and the PA it is becoming clear that major players anticipate either a radical dividend reduction (more than 50%) or its elimination.

If its eliminated the stock will probably retreat below 30 and at that point I believe it is a screaming buy. The patient holder will see the dividend reinstated within three years at a reduced rate that will give them at least a 5% return based on their purchase price and by waiting two or three more years (five or six years in total) I believe the dividend will yield 10% or more ... again, based on the original purchase price.

If they eliminate or cut the dividend enough and the price falls below 30 it is a terrific long term income play with significant upside potential appreciation. This is a monster oil & gas producer with significant assets up and downstream in a world starved for energy.

I show BP's 10-year low at 33.70. Today it nearly broke through that level. If it breaks through, then there's no definable support. BP's fundamentals aren't much to write home about either (quick ratio of .75x) .

When a stock has no definable support, and nothing but bad news on the horizon, I don't see it as a long term income play with upside potential.

DRYS broke down one long term support level after another in 2008 (their fundamentals were also dismal), broke it's all-time low of 8.50 and traded below 3.00 less than a year after trading well above 100.00. It's not much above 3.00 now, more than another year later and despite an "improving" economy.
 
Quote from joe4422:

It depends if you're buying at as an investment or a trade. It's more than a 10% dividend by the way.

BP can lay down 10 billiion without blinking. Remember, their profit last year was more than 20 billion.


Even if they had to give up a couple of year's profits, they're still a bargain at this price. They have billions of barrels in oil reserves which they own. Just selling those alone would pretty much cover the current market cap. So basically, if you buy now, you're buying oil reserves, and then you get that whole BP company thing for free, and the 20 billion dollars a year profit. So, worst case scenario you don't get to collect that profit for a couple of years, who cares?

The above is probably one of the most intelligent things you'll ever read on ET.

I hope the price crashes so some really dumb people can laugh at me, and prove that they can't even understand such a simple idea.


I know its only for a trade but with the news flow out of this company by the seconds makes for a very risky trade, there is still debate on how much oil is flowing even with the so called fix they did just this past weekend. It still looks really bad for BP going forward. This is the worst oil spill in history!!!!


This stock is a sell in my opinion, I think single digits are a real possibility moving forward, I even think they could file bankruptcy if this leak doesn't stop by the end of 2010.
 
Quote from Retief:

@Robert Weinstein: Dude, your position in this stock is waaaaaaaaaaaay too big. It's phukking with your head.

Interesting reply and I think there is some truth to what your saying. I am not actually so mad about the trade or even the loss. It is the lack of leadership on the BP team.

Even on days that I am flat I shake my head and wonder when they are going to pull their head out. Its as if the management is in slow motion. It reminds me of the movie good morning Vietnam with Robbin williams. Williams plays a song on a slower speed than it should be and makes some funny remark that it sounds just right if your hung over or something like that. Watching BP work is like listening to a song on the wrong speed (this goes back before CDs for those that dont understand ....LOL)
 
BP bought “oil spill” search terms on Google, Yahoo, and Bing search engine, which when clicked on, redirect traffic to their official website.



:p
 
Saw this news today which is simply insane!!!!


The depth of the Gulf of Mexico oil spill's economic devastation in Florida is beginning to take "terrifying" shape in the predicted loss of 195,000 jobs and nearly $11 billion in revenue.
 
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