At what point is it Obama's fault?

[Ricter]

19 trillion in debt
Oh, sorry, just had to bring that up.
Now it would be REAL MAGIC if that was ever paid off.

It is being paid off, every time anyone redeems a treasury.

 

[BSAM]

Brother Rich Ricci, I need some clarification on something.
Are you a citizen of Canada, the United States, or both?

 

[Tsing Tao]

But, he was only one president in a line.

Bush Economic Stimulus Package
Pros and Cons of President Bush's rebate checks
http://useconomy.about.com/od/fiscalpolicy/p/bush_tax_rebate.htm

You're pulling out every leftie trick in the bag, aren't you? Now we're on the "But Bush did it too!"

No one is absolving Bush of anything in this thread. All I'm saying (and you continue to fight the point) is that Obama told us his stimulus package would produce a certain employment result if we did it, and he was way, way off. Lies or incompetence. Either way, abject failure.

 

[BSAM]

It is being paid off, every time anyone redeems a treasury.

Oh, I guess it'll be paid off real soon then.
No worries.

 

[Ricter]

Saying you are sheltered from the economic impacts of the US Economy because you are a well-off liberal is not an insult. It's a fact.

You're using it dismissively. How many Americans really think the economy is "horrific", as opposed to "bad", or "could be better"?

Job growth under Obama beats that under Bush and Reagan.

 

[Ricter]

You're pulling out every leftie trick in the bag, aren't you? Now we're on the "But Bush did it too!"

No one is absolving Bush of anything in this thread. All I'm saying (and you continue to fight the point) is that Obama told us his stimulus package would produce a certain employment result if we did it, and he was way, way off. Lies or incompetence. Either way, abject failure.

"Way, way off"? He claimed what, we wouldn't go above 8%? We went to... 11%?

 

[BSAM]

No one is absolving Bush of anything in this thread.

+1000
Bush started the mess we are in today.
Obama obliterated the USA (IN MANY WAYS).

 

[Ricter]

Oh, I guess it'll be paid off real soon then.
No worries.

It never needs to be paid off, as in the government has zero debt. The last 180 years prove that.

 

[Tsing Tao]

You're using it dismissively. How many Americans really think the economy is "horrific", as opposed to "bad", or "could be better"?

Job growth under Obama beats that under Bush and Reagan.

You're back to arguing semantics again, I see. If you don't like the adjectives I use, feel free to use their own. But I'd be willing to bet there are many people who would use that word, or worse to describe their personal situations.

As for job growth, that's a statistical game, and you know it. He had the benefit of starting at the lowest point in quite some time. Let's talk labor force participation.

 

[Tsing Tao]

"Way, way off"? He claimed what, we wouldn't go above 8%? We went to... 11%?

Why don't you look at the chart I posted, and then do the calculations in millions of people. Then do the percentage miss (which I already did for you).