As democracy is perfected...
- Thread starter Frederick Foresight
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I was amused by the quote in the opening post, if only because it seemed so prescient at first glance. Otherwise I know nothing of the man or his views on other matters. However, if the quote you posted is indeed accurate, I would think that you and some of your brethren would be more at home with the fellow, judging by your post histories, which speak for themselves.
I'm certainly no expert on the grand experiment in democracy that is America. However, upon reflection, if the country's democracy was indeed perfected, then every citizen's vote would carry the same weight. In that case, the outcome of the election would have been different, the White House would not be adorned by a downright moron come January, and Mencken's quote would be out of place.
I was just amused by the quote i found of the gentleman you brought up, because it seemed so prescient at first glance.
However, if the quote you first posted is indeed accurate, I would think that you and your brethren would have been more at home quoting it after the obongo election, judging by your post histories, which speak for themselves.
I know that section quite well. I don't see why you made a distinction between the house and senate. I thought you may have known some esoteric lacuna. But, based on your self aggrandizing but amorphous response, I now suspect you don't have anything.
I could, but it is more fun to discover things on your own. Do you have a copy of the constitution. If not, I know where you could get one.
hint: try Article III, section 2. 2nd paragraph.
P.S. You were supposed to have learned that in Law School.
One has to be careful here. To point out that the United States Federal government is only minimally democratic, should not be interpreted as taking a stand one way or the other on the desirability of more, or less, democracy. I think we all can agree that the Founders, for the most part being rich, educated, white males, very likely considered remaining in control a more pressing priority than bringing democracy to a fledgling nation.
Well, Draino, It's quite simple actually. I made the distinction because the Senate does not have the power to direct the Court, whereas the House does. Secondly, while it is crystal clear that the founders intended the House to be composed of their own idea of "democratically" elected, white, male, land owners, the Senate was to be appointed by rich white males. Don't you find it ironic that today there is a greater component of democracy in both houses than the founders intended, but the balance of democracy is exactly reversed from what the Founders originally intended? Of course without Gerrymandering, if we had arbitrarily drawn House district lines, both houses today would be composed of more or less democratically elected representatives of the people, assuming of course that most citizens over 21 (Oops, over 18) actually voted. ..
And the elected would still be primarily rich white males. We have a preference for electing rich, white males. This seems to be a learned response just like belief in religion. We have no problem believing in the supernatural, though it makes no sense whatsoever. Likewise we have no problem electing rich white males over and over, though why we should do this makes little sense.
We are a deeply flawed species, recognition of which is the best argument of all against the existence of an all knowing, all seeing, wise God. Only an inept God would create a species as flawed and ridiculous as we Homo sapiens.
Perhaps the country has done so well up to this point because there isn't much democracy at the Federal level and the country is still firmly in control of rich, white males, just as the Founders intended! If you ever for a moment doubted that this is true, you will be quickly disabused of such thoughts by brief consideration of who is in the Front Line in all of America's endless, and continuous wars to protect corporate interests.
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piezoe - white male therefore 1776 clintons...
Because if say George Washington had been offered a monarchy he would have taken it.
Because they were not concerned about limited government although the first one they tried was too weak.
Because they did not state in the constitution the powers delegated to the Federal Govt are few and defined.
because you would not want to believe that white males would selflessly devote themselves to attempt to put this in place for posterity...
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Because if say George Washington had been offered a monarchy he would have taken it.
Because they were not concerned about limited government although the first one they tried was too weak.
Because they did not state in the constitution the powers delegated to the Federal Govt are few and defined.
because you would not want to believe that white males would selflessly devote themselves to attempt to put this in place for posterity...
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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1. Power to direct the court? Please explain.
2. I am confused why are we focusing on the founding fathers race. The county was founded by Europeans. What color would you expect them to be?
3. One reason why crony/establishment controls Congress is precisely because progressives pushed for democratically elected Senate. It is argued by many we would be a lot better off if Senators were still elected by state legislatures and be responsive to their concerns rather than raising money to run campaigns.
Progressives seemed to have screwed that one up big time. So no I am not surprised we are worse off. We should have stayed the course.
Senators picked by the state. Tariffs instead of Federal income tax. Weaker Federal Govt per the 10th amendment.
With respect to Rich White males running the country.
I think they seemed to have done a good job (except for segregation) until about the 50s. Sometime after world war 2 as the country became more secular our Govt seemed to become a bit unhinged. I am not sure if it was really fear of communism or a very greedy military industrial complex.
We seemed to do some rotten things in central america and perhaps the middle east.
Then things really game unglued when Clinton eliminated Glass Steagall and Wall Street Banks became short run corps instead of long term partnerships.
We have had 20 to thirty years of a fake economy fueled by cheap interest rates as the cronies looted our middle class and created one in China. Which was not good for us. On top of that we then bring in 40 to 60 million people to compete in the labor markets and housing and vote in general democrat.
That was extreme. Which is why Trump got elected.
2. I am confused why are we focusing on the founding fathers race. The county was founded by Europeans. What color would you expect them to be?
3. One reason why crony/establishment controls Congress is precisely because progressives pushed for democratically elected Senate. It is argued by many we would be a lot better off if Senators were still elected by state legislatures and be responsive to their concerns rather than raising money to run campaigns.
Progressives seemed to have screwed that one up big time. So no I am not surprised we are worse off. We should have stayed the course.
Senators picked by the state. Tariffs instead of Federal income tax. Weaker Federal Govt per the 10th amendment.
With respect to Rich White males running the country.
I think they seemed to have done a good job (except for segregation) until about the 50s. Sometime after world war 2 as the country became more secular our Govt seemed to become a bit unhinged. I am not sure if it was really fear of communism or a very greedy military industrial complex.
We seemed to do some rotten things in central america and perhaps the middle east.
Then things really game unglued when Clinton eliminated Glass Steagall and Wall Street Banks became short run corps instead of long term partnerships.
We have had 20 to thirty years of a fake economy fueled by cheap interest rates as the cronies looted our middle class and created one in China. Which was not good for us. On top of that we then bring in 40 to 60 million people to compete in the labor markets and housing and vote in general democrat.
That was extreme. Which is why Trump got elected.
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