Quote from Maverick74:
Well, the tide has turned in California. Under Davis it was as close to socialism as you will find in this country. Any state that that wants to take 120,000 out of every million I make and redistribute that money to others in California is socialism. That's on top of the 350,000 the us government takes from me. Now you may think that is justified because it goes towards "the greater good" of society but I do not. That's my opinion. And if you forcibly take it from me that's socialism. Personally I believe in a national sales tax with no federal or state income taxes.
And recalling Davis was the greatest thing California ever did. It spoke volumes about the outrage in that state. It showed me at least there is hope for change there, that maybe, just maybe, people in that state can start to be responsible for their own lives instead of depending on the government to help them.
Quote from ARogueTrader:
You are dodging my questions.
You said California is a socialist state.
Would a socialist state elect a Republican? No.
Would a socialist state recall Davis? No.
The answer is no on both counts, so California is not a socialist state.
Your statement was incorrect. Just admit it and move along to the next soapbox.
Quote from Maverick74:
Actually technically a socialist state could elect a republican could it not? Maybe in theory you would think they would not, but this is not a communist state. Would a socialist state recall davis? Absolutely, if it was in their constitutional powers? Now realistically would they do it? Maybe, maybe not but you can't say that a socialist state would not recall Davis if they believed that recalling davis would benefit the greater good of California thereby perpetrating their socialistic ideals.
Remember, people act out of self interest. If they believe Arnold will turn the state around and bring tax revenues back to California then they can elect another democrat down the road to spend that money and return the state to its socialistic glory. So no, my statement was not incorrect. Thanks for playing.
Quote from ARogueTrader:
Spin, spin, spin.
Why is it so hard to just admit you were wrong?
Quote from Maverick74:
I'm not wrong. Are you saying that a state that takes a disproportionate amount of the income that you have earned and then redistributes that wealth to everyone else is not socialism? California penalizes you for being successful and then takes that money and tries to help those on the bottom. So in other words they are bringing the guys on the top down and the guys on the bottom up. That is socialism. You can deny it all you want, that's what it is.
Quote from Pabst:
Rogue, Waggie: I dig California. Weather, topography, the mellowness. Sort of feel like I'm Glenn Frye when I'm out there. And when I was younger the best domestic herb known to man.Plus had to dig those SoCal #'s that Reagan used to put up. Big Orange #1 GOP county in the U.S. with San Diego right up there. The Bay Area, yea too liberal for me, but ooooh, so livable. Hard to compare the "L" in Chi to the speed of BART or the quaintness of the MUNI. BUT you gotta admit, Cal's income tax is WAY over the top. How did the voters ever allow that to happen? Yes quasi-socialistic, without the perks. Afterall the palms, sun, and traffic are all free!
Quote from ARogueTrader:
You are the same guy who said that Orange County was the only conservative part of California.
San Diego, the 7th largest metropolitan area in the county is very conservative. It is the 6th largest county in the nation. Orange county is the 5th largest county in the nation.
You don't know California, you were wrong about California being a socialist state. I don't know where you come from, but we are not black and white. If we were a socialist state, Arnold would not have been elected.
Why do you have such a hard admitting you are wrong, and you don't know California better than those who live and work here?
Quote from Maverick74:
Dude pull your head out of your ass. I did not say orange county was the only republican county in CA, I said it was the largest. And one of the largest in the nation I might add. I have been to California many times and I have countless friends that live there on both sides of the political fence. California is the closest thing we have to socialism in this nation.
If I live in Florida and I make a million dollars do you know how much money I give to the state? NONE! If I make a million in California I give 120,000 to the state and for what? The schools are just as good in florida, the hospitals are just as good, the streets are just as clean and the crime is about the same, maybe a little less. It's called free hand outs. You have one big state sponsored entitlement program out there. Why should I have to pay for that? Huh? Explain to me what I get for that 120,000 that I don't get in Florida? This should be really interesting.