That's the sort of sick thinking religion brings to some. A mind virus that interferes with all reasonable understanding.Quote from peilthetraveler:
Blasphemy is more than a major sin. It's worse than murder, rape and theft. It doesnt seem so serious to you because you've heard and seen so many people do it all the time. People on TV, probably most of your friends and relatives too. You might say No...its not worse than those because thats what you've been led to believe. Although if you were a member of the interhamwe(the group responsible for the gencide in rwanda) then rape and murder would be nothing to you, the same way blasphemy doesnt mean anything to you.
You seem to be suggestingQuote from ARealGannTrader:
I believe because I thought about what Jesus(not his real name), said about the Pharisees and moved it to modern day.
As a consequence, I rejected religion, sought God, Allah, Yahweh, Amen, Bhudda,Quetzalcoatl,Inti, or whomever u want to call ur animating force, and experienced some interesting things.
Paranormal is a misnomer, most people are operating at a subnormal state of existence.
I personally have evidence that suggests the route of getting to the source is irrelevant, and likely to b controlled by whatever city state u happen to live in.
Reject whether the methods r right or wrong and go straight to the source the best way u know how.
The source is amoral, which is why bad things happen to good people, and vice versa. It only serves to promote ur will. The trick tho, is that if u harm another in this process, u might have what politicians call unintended consequences. And ur personal will is subject to limitations based on the universe you percieve urself to live in mentally, and the physical laws of vibration, so don't think ur lighter than air, or that u can physically stop a train.
Of course u r going to flame me, which is okay.
All of this is just one man's opinion, based on personal experiences that a math and science guy could not falsify, nor explain.
As far as evolution or the origin of the universe is concerned, I will believe the very first nation whose scientist's can:
1.build a 1/10 scale version of the pyramid of cheops using the methods of their choice that meets the specs and native materials of the original. No theories, just build the replica and shut us all up. With today's technology even. I would b happy with that.
2. Tell us without any doubt what is under the ice in Antarctica.
I have lived long enough to c science get much more wrong than right over time. So I would like just a small return demonstration of the competency of these scientists. That's all.
i get it now. you have been scared by the concept of hell. that i can understand. religion is very good at using the fear card on people with a certian mentality.Quote from peilthetraveler:
My conscience ate at me to find out if the bible was real. I knew that I had better make sure that it was real because there is nothing more important than whats going to happen after you die. But part of me always put it off because i was afraid. Afraid i would end up like one of those people that always want to talk to you about Jesus.
you qwest to prove science wrong in hopes that it somehow will make what you believe true is misguided. do you realize that even if everything science knows was proven false tomorrow it would not bolster your case one bit. you should spend your time looking for evidence to prove what you believe is true instead of hoping that if you find some small things science has got wrong it will make what the bible says true.Quote from peilthetraveler:
Very good point about the Science. People should be free to think and do their own conclusion finding, but they dont.
Arguing with this guy is silly if it was just him and me. But I write hoping that maybe I can free someone else's mind who is reading this. Maybe someone who also who has blindly followed science without question. Evolution was a hard concept for me to free my mind from. Its so ingrained in our society that one has alot of trouble trying to refute it at first. You get past that, it gets a whole lot easier though.
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you qwest to prove science wrong in hopes that it somehow will make what you believe true is misguided. do you realize that even if everything science knows was proven false tomorrow it would not bolster your case one bit. you should spend your time looking for evidence to prove what you believe is true instead of hoping that if you find some small things science has got wrong it will make what the bible says true.
debating with you is pretty much futile because i can tell you mind is lost but i do so in hopes that some lurker many be able to free his mind from religious superstition.
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i get it now. you have been scared by the concept of hell. that i can understand. religion is very good at using the fear card on people with a certian mentality.
use your mind to explore the concept of hell to free yourself from this irrational fear. hell is a human concept invented by the church to keep the sheep in the pews. it only exists in the mind of the believer. it does not exist literally.
i actually feel sorry for people who have had their mind corrupted into a fear of eternal torture. how sad it must be to live a life fearing that if you make one wrong move you will face eternal torture by fire.
you hope to make people reject science over religion? science gave you the computer that you type on. what advancement of the human condition has religion given man?Quote from Wallet:
Debating with you is pretty much futile because i can tell you mind is lost but i do so in hopes that some lurker many be able to free his mind from unproven scientific theory.
Vhehn,
I know God exists, because I feel His presence in my life, I see His guidance in my life and His power in answered prayers.
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you hope to make people reject science over religion? science gave you the computer that you type on. what advancement of the human condition has religion given man?
"I know God exists, because I feel "
i hope you realize this feeling is an emotion. emotions are not evidence.
ok. be honest now. if you found tomorrow like many others have the the bible is nothing more than a collection of primitive myths would you instantly fall back into whatever your prior nasty habits were or have you matured enough on your own by now that you know right from wrong?Quote from Wallet:
Reject Science? Not at all, just that science is not the answer. Science can not give me what God has â Peace and Forgiveness.
Emotions I agree are not evidence, but the changes in my life, what I was unable to do, are.
Regards,
Quote from vhehn:
you hope to make people reject science over religion? science gave you the computer that you type on. what advancement of the human condition has religion given man?
"I know God exists, because I feel "
i hope you realize this feeling is an emotion. emotions are not evidence.