Arizona shooter had ties to far right white nationalist group

[epiktetos]

Quote from phenomena:

Way to start whining and crying because you couldn't actually refute my points... Don't worry, it wasn't REALLY noticeable or anything...

Really? I never you saw reply to my this post. Not noticeable enough?

Quote from phenomena:
We also know that AmRen is not an antisemitic group, has Jewish speakers, and has kicked antisemites out of conferences.

Quote from epiktetos:

When did this happen?
"From February 22-24, 2008, Taylor held the eighth biennial American Renaissance conference in Herndon, Virginia. The event, which is named after the print and online white supremacist journal and Website that Taylor runs, brought together various speakers from the United States and Europe to present speeches on race-related topics. Approximately 300 people attended the event, including well-known extremists such as
Don Black, who runs the white supremacist Website Stormfront.org;


Gordon Baum, head of the Council of Conservative Citizens (CofCC), a white supremacist organization that was the successor to the racist, anti-integrationist White Citizens' Councils of the 1950s and 1960s;


Mark Weber, head of the Institute for Historical Review, a Holocaust denial organization;


William Regnery, a funder of racist organizations and publications, including The Occidental Quarterly, a racist journal whose articles often focus on race and intelligence.

Speakers at the conference included:
J. Philippe Rushton, head of the Pioneer Fund, who promotes eugenics and an alleged link between race and intelligence;


Bruno Gollnisch, a member of the National Front, a far-right French political party, who lamented the existence of the European Union for what he saw as its un-democratic nature and assault on national sovereignty ;


Jared Taylor, who discussed why the vast majority of whites do not accept “race realism,” the idea that racial differences are real and that it is natural and healthy for groups to segregate along racial lines.

Other talks covered a range of topics, from an “insider” look at Mexicans to “a modest proposal” advocating for a white “racial state.”"

http://www.adl.org/Learn/Ext_US/jar...at=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=2&item=taylor [/B]

Quote from phenomena:Whoever said I am a white nationalist or white supremacist? I am neither. How do you know I am even white?

So you read Amren, stay in contact with its publisher, spew white nationalist talking points like 'jews separate from europeans', talk about white advocacy because ???

Quote from phenomena:opposed to forced, mandatory integration... small minority are intermixed. ..legislation of mandatory integration runs counter stream to human nature. ...

I agree, not with mandatory segregation, but with the right to voluntary segregation and complete freedom of association, which we now do not have... I find it ironic that you haven't chosen to persecute many of the black and latino groups ... Why is it you get so angry about white people
...

And who exactly is stopping you from voluntary segregation??? And when did I say I was OK with others advocating for segregation?? And when did I say I was angry about it??? I can't care less, this is a discussion about Amren. What's with the constant strawman???

There was no need for the lecture, you could have simply said that you are for segregation along racial lines and that was enough. I don't think you realize how you come off, what you are advocating is pure racism no matter how you cut it. Perhaps you should look up what the word means and stop hiding behind pseudo garbage like 'race realism'.

 

[epiktetos]

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I see you've made phenomena's acquaintance.

Well, I didn't knew racists like him had such a free reign on ET PR. :eek:

 

[phenomena]

Yes, I read AmRen, and the publisher is a very intelligent, pragmatic, worldly guy. An ivy league grad who's lived all over the world. They also have some very valid positions, most of which I agree with.

I never said that jews are separate from europeans, you just made that up. Nice strawman though. There are european jews, arab jews, indian jews, and african jews. All of them are jews, not all of them are european.

Who is stopping me from voluntary segregation? Lots of laws to start. I can't go make any all white association, or an all white club, or school, or church, etc. I can't have my business only serve blacks, and refuse service to latinos. I'm not free to discriminate on the basis of race, if I so choose. I can't develop a neighborhood and only sell homes to a certain race. I am not free to voluntarily segregate on the basis of race. Many non whites do so, but apparently the laws do not apply to them. This is an asymmetrical application of law. I can name several examples (black MBA association, black chamber of commerce, latino students union, etc) If there were a white business owners association, a white MBA association, a white student union?? OMG, there would be mobs with torches, followed by candlelight vigils, and national news coverage.

If anyone is killing strawmen here it's you. You are conducting a strawman genocide.

In fact David Duke and the Stromfront crowd were banned from AmRen conferences, that's the fact. Still getting your info from wikipedia I see...

So because you are in favor of white advocacy, that qualifies you as being a "racist"?? And if you believe in a need for white advocacy then you must be a white nationalist or white supremacist?? ROFLMAO!!! So I guess by the same token if you believe in black/latino/minority advocacy then you must be a black supremacist?? LOLOLOL!!

Why do you feel qualified to tell me what I am advocating. I'm not advocating for segregation along racial lines. I'm arguing for the FREEDOM to segregate along racial lines. I'm not advocating for any involuntary segregation. I'm also not advocating involuntary integration along racial lines, which is what we have now.

I'm also not in favor of putative measures taken against whites as a group. I'm not in favor of anti white race based quotas at universities, which give non whites lower standards of admission and more funding on the basis of race. I'm also not in favor of whites being discriminated against in terms of hiring via "affirmative action" schemes. Which make less qualified non whites, get jobs over more qualified whites, again on the basis of race.

Yet, if you want the student with the best academic qualifications to get the admission, or the person who is actually most qualified to get the job, REGARDLESS OF RACE. Then somehow you are the "racist". Somehow epi thinks this is "pure racism". "Racist" these days simply means anyone who doesn't hate whites, or who is in favor of no racial discrimination whatsoever.

Quote from epiktetos:

Really? I never you saw reply to my this post. Not noticeable enough?

So you read Amren, stay in contact with its publisher, spew white nationalist talking points like 'jews separate from europeans', talk about white advocacy because ???



And who exactly is stopping you from voluntary segregation??? And when did I say I was OK with others advocating for segregation?? And when did I say I was angry about it??? I can't care less, this is a discussion about Amren. What's with the constant strawman???

There was no need for the lecture, you could have simply said that you are for segregation along racial lines and that was enough. I don't think you realize how you come off, what you are advocating is pure racism no matter how you cut it. Perhaps you should look up what the word means and stop hiding behind pseudo garbage like 'race realism'. [/QUOTE]

 

[epiktetos]

Quote from phenomena:

I never said that jews are separate from europeans, you just made that up. Nice strawman though. There are european jews, arab jews, indian jews, and african jews. All of them are jews, not all of them are european.

Do you even remember what you post???



“There is something relentlessly convincing about examining a race or a sub-group, whether it is Japanese, Chinese, Jews, blacks, Europeans, or Indians, and finding that wherever they are, whatever their circumstances, their achievements as a group are almost perfectly predicted by their average IQ.”
Note the clear distinction betweeen "Jews" and "Europeans."

You completely supported Jared Taylor's point where he made a clear distinction between Jews and Europeans.


I asked you a simple clarification that why did anti semites, holocause deniers and KKK members spoke very recently at Amren conference for which you have no answer. I provided you with a source, its your turn now to back up your point. I have absolutely no interest in your racist diatribes or however you want to describe it, just stick to the points.

 

[phenomena]

Jared Taylor wasn't making a "point". He was making a distinction between Jews and other whites. That doesn't mean that jews are not white. When Jared Taylor talks about Spaniards, Italians, Irish (all of which he has), does that mean he thinks that they are not white? Of course not.

Of course this all pales in comparison to the fact that AmRen has several Jewish members, regularly has jewish speakers, and completely welcomes the attendance of jews at AmRen conferences. Not only that, they have kicked David Duke, and other neo nazis out of the conferences. Of course your little semantic contrivance is more important than that... LOL!!!

And yes, I agree with the statement that Ashkenazi Jews are a distinct group of white people, just like French canadians, acadians, etc are. All are valid distinctions, yet all groups are white. Celtic people, nordic people, and slavic people- all distinct groups, yet all white. I guess this concept is just too abstract for you...

I have already defeated you on your "points" and you are the one who sought to define racism, so if you don't want "diatribes", then you shouldn't open that realm of discourse. Also, what you quoted below was not my post. You are so full of bullshit you can't even keep your lies organized. Try to be a bit more copacetic in your bullshitting. LMAO!

Quote from epiktetos:

Do you even remember what you post???



“There is something relentlessly convincing about examining a race or a sub-group, whether it is Japanese, Chinese, Jews, blacks, Europeans, or Indians, and finding that wherever they are, whatever their circumstances, their achievements as a group are almost perfectly predicted by their average IQ.”
Note the clear distinction betweeen "Jews" and "Europeans."

You completely supported Jared Taylor's point where he made a clear distinction between Jews and Europeans.


I asked you a simple clarification that why did anti semites, holocause deniers and KKK members spoke very recently at Amren conference for which you have no answer. I provided you with a source, its your turn now to back up your point. I have absolutely no interest in your racist diatribes or however you want to describe it, just stick to the points.

 

[epiktetos]

Quote from phenomena:

He was making a distinction between Jews and other whites. That doesn't mean that jews are not white. When Jared Taylor talks about Spaniards, Italians, Irish (all of which he has), does that mean he thinks that they are not white? Of course not.
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Except that he WASN'T, I am tired of repeating this. He was not comparing Italians or Spaniards, he was making a clear distinction between EUROPEANS and JEWS.

Quote from phenomena:Not only that, they have kicked David Duke, and other neo nazis out of the conferences. .

Then why don't you provide a source for this? Go ahead.

 

[phenomena]

Yes, but he HAS also made comparisons between other european sub ethnicities, and europeans in general... This of course is NOT an assertion that other euro sub ethnicities are not white, just as Taylor's wasn't a claim that jews are not white. I'm getting tired of repeating this. So try to allow it to sink in this time, alright corky?

" Taylor has sought to discourage Duke from attending his American Renaissance conferences ever since Duke crashed the first one in 1994. But even in years when he didn't enter the hall, Duke was often found outside, talking to participants."

http://www.splcenter.org/get-inform...06/summer/irreconcilable-differences?page=0,1

Of course, this is old hat, and Duke and neo nazi ilk have all been explicitly asked not to attend the conference. I guess it would be pointless to tell you if Taylor has a wife of Jewish ancestry?

And I'm also sure it would be pointless to mention how other similar groups were actually founded by jews??

http://preservingwesternciv.com/

Quote from epiktetos:

Except that he WASN'T, I am tired of repeating this. He was not comparing Italians or Spaniards, he was making a clear distinction between EUROPEANS and JEWS.




Then why don't you provide a source for this? Go ahead.

 

[epiktetos]

Quote from phenomena:

Yes, but he HAS also made comparisons between other european sub ethnicities, and europeans in general... This of course is NOT an assertion that other euro sub ethnicities are not white, just as Taylor's wasn't a claim that jews are not white. I'm getting tired of repeating this. So try to allow it to sink in this time, alright corky?

Ad nauseam. He wasn't talking about sub-ethnicities among Europeans, he made a direct distinction between Europeans and Jews in that statement.

Quote from phenomena:" Taylor has sought to discourage Duke from attending his American Renaissance conferences ever since Duke crashed the first one in 1994. But even in years when he didn't enter the hall, Duke was often found outside, talking to participants."

This is what you said

Quote from phenomena:Not only that, they have kicked David Duke, and other neo nazis out of the conferences.

Now you are moving the goal posts saying that they were discouraged? LMAO. Unfucking believable.

And here is a list of attendees as recent as 2008.

Don Black, who runs the white supremacist Website Stormfront.org;


Gordon Baum, head of the Council of Conservative Citizens (CofCC), a white supremacist organization that was the successor to the racist, anti-integrationist White Citizens' Councils of the 1950s and 1960s;


Mark Weber, head of the Institute for Historical Review, a Holocaust denial organization;


William Regnery, a funder of racist organizations and publications, including The Occidental Quarterly, a racist journal whose articles often focus on race and intelligence.

Speakers at the conference included:
J. Philippe Rushton, head of the Pioneer Fund, who promotes eugenics and an alleged link between race and intelligence

http://www.adl.org/Learn/Ext_US/jar...at=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=2&item=taylor

 

[Tsing Tao]

why can't people just be "crazy" anymore? why must something be tied to their actions?

 

[jem]

Quote from Tsing Tao:

why can't people just be "crazy" anymore? why must something be tied to their actions?

exactly