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Arizona Aims to Make President Obama Prove He's a 'Natural Born Citizen"
- Thread starter jficquette
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Arizona should go ahead and pass the amendment. And Barry should ignore them. In which case Barry wouldn't be legally allowed on the ballot. Then the registered voters of Arizona would be deprived of their right to vote for the presumptive Democratic nominee for President in 2012.
Now that would be funny.
Now that would be funny.
Quote from Dr. Zhivodka:
Arizona should go ahead and pass the amendment. And Barry should ignore them. In which case Barry wouldn't be legally allowed on the ballot. Then the registered voters of Arizona would be deprived of their right to vote for the presumptive Democratic nominee for President in 2012.
Now that would be funny.
Obama can't afford to have that happen. Other states will follow.
Florida and Oklahoma have bills pending. Both heavy Republican state houses.
Obama ain't eligible anyway due to his father not being a US Citizen.
Quote from CaptainObvious:
This story reminds me of the Left's obsession with President Bush and his unwillingness to admit he made mistakes, or had regrets. Even when he did offer some kind of admission, people still weren't satisfied. I suspect the same would be true with Obama and a birth certificate. If he walked out with one in hand today, offered it up for inspection, there would still be those that would say it was a forged document. There are many valid reasons to be critical of his presidency. This ain't one of them.
Well his place of birth wouldn't matter anyway. However, I actually wish he could produce it so we could just pertend it was ok.
Quote from Scataphagos:
Probably because he can't... not without blowing the whistle on himself.
I find it interesting that Fox News has (officially?) decided "Obama was born in Hawaii". That's because of some archived Hawaii newspaper clippings which announced the birth of Barack Obama.
My questions...
1. If that's really true and there is nothing to hide, why not produce a genuine birth certificate?
2. If that's true and nothing to hide, why has Obama allegedly spent >$3 Million to keep from revealing his birth certificate?
3. Are these newspaper announcements "archived newspapers from that time", or is the record on microfiche? If on microfiche, couldn't the announcements be doctored? And if someone allegedly spends $3 Mil to keep the records private, wouldn't altering newspaper archives be a piece of cake?
4. It has also been alleged that Obama gave up his USA citizenship (if indeed he had it) to receive some free education in Indonesia(?)... which would only have been available to him if he were an Indonesian(?) citizen, not a USA citizen. And if this is actually true, Obama could reapply for US citizenship, but only as a "naturalized citizen" and not a "natural born citizen".. and would therefore be ineligible to be prez.
If there were really "nothing to these allegations", then why not simply produce the documents and end all questions?
Unless he has something to hide, of course.
Third time in three posts but if did address the issue it would not matter since it was his father that created his ineligiblity an not his place of birth.
He could have been born in the Rose Garden and it wouldn't matter.
By ignoring it he kepts the whole issue under wraps.
Fine, he wouldn't carry Florida, Oklahoma or Arizona anyway. It would cost him nothing to ignore them. They should knock themselves out with crazy legislation.
However I believe it's a moot point. I'm fairly sure I read somewhere that there's legal precedent that has effectively eliminated the "natural born" part the requirement. There have been other President's of the United State whose father's were not born in American.
I keep telling ya man that this guy went up against the Clinton Machine and came out smelling like a rose. If there was anything really there they would have killed him with it.
However I believe it's a moot point. I'm fairly sure I read somewhere that there's legal precedent that has effectively eliminated the "natural born" part the requirement. There have been other President's of the United State whose father's were not born in American.
I keep telling ya man that this guy went up against the Clinton Machine and came out smelling like a rose. If there was anything really there they would have killed him with it.
Quote from jficquette:
Obama can't afford to have that happen. Other states will follow.
Florida and Oklahoma have bills pending. Both heavy Republican state houses.
Obama ain't eligible anyway due to his father not being a US Citizen.
Quote from Dr. Zhivodka:
Fine, he wouldn't carry Florida, Oklahoma or Arizona anyway. It would cost him nothing to ignore them. They should knock themselves out with crazy legislation.
However I believe it's a moot point. I'm fairly sure I read somewhere that there's legal precedent that has effectively eliminated the "natural born" part the requirement. There have been other President's of the United State whose father's were not born in American.
I keep telling ya man that this guy went up against the Clinton Machine and came out smelling like a rose. If there was anything really there they would have killed him with it.
There was one other president who served that was not eligible. It was Chester Arthur who took over after Garfield got shot.
His father did not get naturalized until after his birth. So technically at the time his father was a citizen of Ireland.
"In any case, Arthur's father was not naturalized until some years after his birth, resulting in Arthur having dual citizenship, a fact he later covered up.[6]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chester_A._Arthur
My guess is Clinton's hands were tied because he must have had all kinds of dirt on her.
"Chester A. Arthur (1829â1886), 21st president of the United States, was rumored to have been born in Canada.[33][34] This was never demonstrated by his Democratic opponents, although Arthur Hinman, the attorney in charge of the investigation, raised the objection during his vice-presidential campaign and after the end of his Presidency. Arthur was born in Vermont to a U.S. citizen mother and a father from Ireland, who was eventually naturalized as a U.S. citizen. Despite the fact that his parents took up residence in the United States somewhere between 1822 or 1824,[35] Chester Arthur additionally began to claim between 1870 and 1880[36] that he had been born in 1830, rather than in 1829, which only caused minor confusion and was even used in several publications.[37] Arthur was sworn in as president when President Garfield died after being shot. Since his Irish father William was naturalized 14 years after Chester Arthur's birth,[38] his citizenship status at birth is unclear, because he was born before the 1868 ratification of the 14th Amendment, which provided that any person born on United States territory and being subject to the jurisdiction thereof was considered a born U.S. citizen, and because he also held British citizenship at birth by patrilineal jus sanguinis.[39] Arthur's natural born citizenship status is therefore equally unclear. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen
Quote from jficquette:
Third time in three posts but if did address the issue it would not matter since it was his father that created his ineligiblity an not his place of birth.
He could have been born in the Rose Garden and it wouldn't matter.
By ignoring it he kepts the whole issue under wraps.
Is your opinion base on your interpretation of "natural born citizen"?
jficquette, doesn't the following invalidate your argument?
from : http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401----000-.html
TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1401
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§ 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;
(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;
(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;
(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;
(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person
(A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or
(B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and
(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.
from : http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401----000-.html
TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1401
Prev | Next
§ 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;
(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;
(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;
(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;
(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person
(A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or
(B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and
(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.