Argument that decimates the pro gun position

Quote from Lucrum:

Actually their primary goal is supporting the 2nd amendment
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Their primary goal is to make money and they make the most money by representing gun manufacturers. Stop kidding yourself.
 
Quote from trendlover:

From the OP link




"In other Western countries, per capita homicide rates, as well as rates of violent crime involving guns, are a fraction of what they are in the United States. The possible explanations of this are limited. Gun advocates claim it has nothing to do with our permissive gun laws or our customs and practices involving guns. If they are right, should we conclude that Americans are simply inherently more violent, more disposed to mental derangement, and less moral than people in other Western countries? If you resist that conclusion, you have little choice but to accept that our easy access to all manner of firearms is a large part of the explanation of why we kill each at a much higher rate than our counterparts elsewhere."
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/19/why-gun-control-is-not-enough/
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you stupid fucks, you really can't grasp reality.

Crime is a mostly a problem with non-assimilating minorities. The crime rate among USA whites is just about the same as Europeans

Here ask the Swedes about this


http://www.thelocal.se/38876/20120202/


Guns are also twice as common in Malmö in comparison to Gothenburg for similar crimes, according to statistics from Sweden's National Council on Crime Prevention (Brottsförebyggande rådet – Brå), the Svenska Dagbladet (SvD) newspaper reported.

The organization's figures show that in 2011, firearms were used in 13 cases per 100,000 residents in Malmö, compared with four in Stockholm and six in Gothenburg.

The nationwide figure is two cases per 100,000 residents.

In addition, reported violent crimes involving firearms have more than doubled in Malmö in the last five years – the largest increase in the country.

Meanwhile, reported gun crimes have dropped by six percent in Stockholm over the same period, while in Gothenburg they've increased by about 30 percent.

Deputy police commissioner Hans Nordin told SvD that police are hard at work hunting for the perpetrators behind a spate of recent shootings, the latest of which claimed the life of a 48-year-old man on Tuesday night.

“We've deployed all the power and resources the Swedish police have. We've got what we asked for and are working hard on all these recent murders,” he told the paper.

So far around 200 officers are involved in the investigations into six murders which have taken place in Malmö since August 2011.

One of the main challenges, however, is an unwillingness of members of the pubilc to come to police and testify about crimes they may have witnessed.

“If people don't tell us what they know, they have to accept that there are a group of people who can remain above the law,” Börje Sjöholm of the Skåne County police told the Sydsvenskan newspaper.

The recent wave of gun violence in Malmö has even prompted Sweden's YMCA scouting organziation to move its annual meeting from the city to nearby Ystad.

The gathering of roughly 100 scouts aged 15- to 25-years-old was supposed to be held at the Kroksbäck school in Malmö, but the deadly violence in the city made organizers reconsider their pans.

“There's a general concern, a feeling that we didn't want to be there. The area feels unpleasant. Ther'e a feeling of insecurity,” scouting official Lucas Lennartsson told the local Skånska Dagbladet newspaper.
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Quote from Mav88:

you stupid fucks, you really can't grasp reality.

Crime is a mostly a problem with non-assimilating minorities. The crime rate among USA whites is just about the same as Europeans

Here ask the Swedes about this


http://www.thelocal.se/38876/20120202/
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You are very angry and mean when you talk. Tell me why YOUR country is very advance, very wealthy, and lead in the world when they always have minorities in their country.
Stop your blame of minoritys. You are superpower.
 
Quote from trendlover:

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You are very angry and mean when you talk. Tell me why YOUR country is very advance, very wealthy, and lead in the world when they always have minorities in their country.
Stop your blame of minoritys. You are superpower.
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Not anger so much as contempt.

We were about 80% white european for most of our history, Germans were our largest ethnic group. Don't try and sell me the crap about blacks and hispanics building this place, as you can see we are going in the wrong direction simultaneous with the demogrpahic shift.

The fact is they ARE a problem, just as muslims ruined Malmo.
 
More examples:

In the UK:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12371994
In France:
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2011/February/Frances-Sarkozy-Multiculturalism-Has-Failed/
In Germany:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/17/angela-merkel-german-multiculturalism-failed
In the Netherlands:
http://www.stonegateinstitute.org/2219/netherlands-abandons-multiculturalism

Quote from Mav88:

you stupid fucks, you really can't grasp reality.

Crime is a mostly a problem with non-assimilating minorities. The crime rate among USA whites is just about the same as Europeans

Here ask the Swedes about this


http://www.thelocal.se/38876/20120202/
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Quote from trendlover:

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... Tell me why YOUR country is very advance, very wealthy, and lead in the world when they always have minorities in their country.
Stop your blame of minoritys. You are superpower.
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Actually we're $16.3 Trillion in debt. Our infrastructure is in decay and the free loader/entitlement/welfare classes now outnumber the responsible productive tax payers. Think - ancient Rome.
 
Quote from kmgilroy89:

Their primary goal is to make money and they make the most money by representing gun manufacturers. Stop kidding yourself.
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Even IF that's true, I'm OK with it.
 
Hey Lucrum. Why don't you try reading the opinion and addressing the arguments? I know you are a one sentence guy but it's really not that long an essay.

My challenge to you, as a proud (and victorious Yankee): read the essay and respond to it. The author has a thesis and makes various arguments to support it. If you have agreement, say so, if not, do likewise and explain your position. If you support any of the arguments but not the conclusion, tell us why. It's an issue that affects the entire country.

Is the 2nd amendment obsolete today? Should we fashion a new
principle that on the one hand preserves the right for reasonable self defense with the right have arms, and on the other hand maximizes a fundamental purpose of our union of preserving domestic tranquility and promoting the public welfare?

Arms have the incredibly challenging and vexing ability both to preserve the domestic tranquility we need, further the public welfare, and upset that tranquility and destroy that welfare for some.

We're hearing two extremist arguments in the media: arm everyone including teachers and blast the fucking rogue before he kills too many, and disarm everyone. Neither is satisfying, workable, or consistent with maximizing freedom and safety. So what is the answer?
 
Not really. Your crime in the USA is not from immigrants majority. Your crime is from USA citizens. And assimilation you can see happen all the time. You can see many people learn your language, and try to have their business in your country, in your language. Look in your city. What do you hear? You hear your English language from the immigrant merchants to you.
 
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