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Are those who oppose outsourcing racist?
- Thread starter Ash1972
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Quote from achilles28:
Because they're OUR jobs, Dummy.
what makes them our jobs? Just because a company is in the US, why should the jobs have to stay in the US? Do you think those jobs should also stay in the same state? ....I totally disagree, they are not 'our jobs'. They belong to the company and fill those jobs wherever they choose.
But it's up to thirdworlders to overthrow their own despots, implement true market reforms, and build their own wealth. [/QUOTE]
Let's hope they do. Let's support them in that.
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Quote from Ash1972:
Yes, but the essence of my question was why is it ok for people in the third world to live like that but not ok for Americans? The question needs to be asked as outsourcing is the most radical NON SOCIALIST wealth redistribution programme yet devised. [/QUOTE
ANY kind of wealth redistribution plan is Socialist, is it not?
outsourcing is not wealth redistribution . if it is by your way of thinking then every economic action is wealth redistribution. then by your way of thinking every economic action is socialist in nature which is prima facie ridiculous.
Quote from olias:
....I totally disagree, they are not 'our jobs'. They belong to the company ....
Does that include jobs bought and paid-for with US taxpayer dollars?
http://www.wbur.org/2009/11/05/evergreen-china
Quote from Steven.Davis:
Does that include jobs bought and paid-for with US taxpayer dollars?
http://www.wbur.org/2009/11/05/evergreen-china
That's a good question. I haven't given it much thought til now. I'd really have to think about and hear some different perspectives before making up my mind. At this point I'd probably say, in this case, the jobs should stay local.
You may have found the exception to the rule, but in most cases I still say 'they are not 'our' jobs just because the company is in the US.
Quote from Ash1972:
It seems that 'patriotism' - or a particular interpretation of it, i.e. economically favouring people who share the same nationality as yourself - is the only acceptable form of tribalism these days.
If you happen to select your universe as the country you live in, then it is probably correct to want the best for your compatriots and mourn the loss of programming and factory jobs to China and India (unless you're on the next level and welcome their chance to move up the value chain.. but that's another topic).
What if your universe is the world? Should you not rejoice that formerly poor people have a chance to be respected professionals in the global economy?
I'm not really looking at the economic benefits or otherwise of outsourcing here - just the emotions.
Any thoughts?
the people who are against outsourcing are not capitalists. capital does not recognize borders but seeks the highest return on capital.
further there are defects in the american enviroment both political, social and economic which has resulted in this outsourcing issue. I have asked a number of times on various threads why is it possbile that Germany with high cost labor runs a trade surplus with china?
why do the countries of South East Asia, who are richer than China, run a trade surplus with China?I have never received an answer. there are straight forward answers to this questions but Americans of late like to whine unlike their forefathers of the greatest generation, the one that saved the world from the nazis.
Quote from olias:
what makes them our jobs? Just because a company is in the US, why should the jobs have to stay in the US? Do you think those jobs should also stay in the same state? ....I totally disagree, they are not 'our jobs'. They belong to the company and fill those jobs wherever they choose.
You're arguing for the economic and strategic demise of America.
Congress has an obligation to protect the nations industry from unfair competition via duties and tariffs. It abdicated that responsibility at the behest of Fortune 500 corporations - who literally paid them off - and resulted in a vast dismantling of the greatest industrial power the world has ever known.
The consequences of that will soon be at our doorstep, as the crushing debt this husk of an economy was kept alive on (while it was packed up and put on the slow boat to China), will soon come due and rates inevitably rise. There's nothing left but serviced based shit. There's no way to outgrow it, or "export" our way out it. The math on that is ~10% growth, YOY.
The problem is free trade doesn't work out the way it was taught in your econ 101 class. Rich countries transferred ALL their technology to poor countries so now all the export jobs America was supposed to have in this free trade Utopia (like cars and computers) are now done overseas, and those "exports" imported back here !!! This is why America lost 12 million jobs and they ain't coming back. It's also why China's economy went from 500 Billion to 6 Trillion in 15 years.
The American Government and Fortune 500 got together and sold the Country down the river to the Communist Chinese for 15 years of sick profits and an inevitable inflationary tsunami. Is that what you support?
Quote from olias:
Let's hope they do. Let's support them in that.
They must fight their own battles. As we have, ours.
Occupations don't insight revolution. Revolution has to be indigenous. Otherwise the cultural change (MORALS) indispensable to lawful, free societies never materialize. They have to want it.
Quote from zdreg:
outsourcing is not wealth redistribution . if it is by your way of thinking then every economic action is wealth redistribution. then by your way of thinking every economic action is socialist in nature which is prima facie ridiculous.
Yes, it is.
Replacing 100 Americans at 50 dollars an hour, for 1000 Chinese at 2 dollars an hour is wealth redistribution.
The productive output hasn't changed. Merely the laborers and their cost.