Are these Toshiba HDD Same ?

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My Dell Precision 5820 workstation came with following 4TB HDD but it is full & I need to buy a new one. I am giving details of what is available to me in the market. Can you please tell me if they both are similar & If I can use what is available in the market ?


It came with following HDD Mfd 2020


Toshiba 3.5" 4TB SATA Enterprise HDD Part No : MG08ADA400NY

with Format Type 512n & SIE


What is available in market now is :


Toshiba 3.5" 4TB SATA Enterprise HDD Part No : MG08ADA400E

with Format Type 512e & Standard


So the only difference in part no. is the last letter in newer HDD which is is E instead of NY and Format type 512n & SIE Vs 512e & Standard

Here is Toshiba website :

https://storage.toshiba.com/enterprise-hdd/enterprise-capacity/mg08d-series

Here is the link for what is available in the market.


https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetai...T*MTcyMDUxMjQxOC4zLjEuMTcyMDUxMjQ1NS4yMy4wLjA.


So what is the difference between them & can I use what is available in market ?

Dell wants more than 2 times the market price.


Thank You
 
What makes a drive enterprise is that it's supposedly "made with better quality parts for heavy use and longer life".

I'm assuming you're going to keep using your current drive and add other(s)?... Your 5820 can run 6x HDD/SSD drives ... at 4TB each, that's 24TB... a lot of data.

You can use any HDD and/or SSD... The SSDs will be much faster for most functions but cost more, of course. My rec for SSD is Samsung EVO 870 and Crucial MX500.
 
I don't know, but here is what google says :

512n, 512e and 4Kn drives
A sector is the smallest unit of storage on a hard drive, and each sector stores a fixed amount of data. Traditional hard drives have a sector size of 512 bytes, and such drives are called 512-byte Native (512n) drives. With the increasing demand for hard drive capacity, in order to increase the data recording density, drive manufacturers have introduced hard drives with a sector size of 4096 (4 KB) bytes. These drives are called Advanced Format drives, also known as 4K sector drives.

There are two types of Advanced Format drives: 512-byte Emulation (512e) drives and 4K Native (4Kn) drives. 512e drives are designed to be compatible with traditional computers because many traditional hardware and software components assume that hard drives are configured around 512-byte sector boundaries. 512e drives logically divide sectors into 512-byte sector segments and expose them to the operating system and application software. Such sector segments are called Logical Sectors, while the sectors actually read and written on the hard drive are called Physical Sectors.
4Kn drives do not perform sector translation, but instead expose physical sectors directly to the operating system, so the logical sector organization visible from the outside of a 4Kn drive is directly mapped to its internal physical sector organization. 4Kn drives are supported on Windows 8 or newer operating systems.
You can follow the steps below to determine the type of drive by examining its logical sector size and physical sector size.
  1. Open Command Prompt as Administrator.
  2. Type the following command and then press Enter.
    fsutil fsinfo ntfsinfo x:
    where x: represents the drive that you're checking. The drive requires the NTFS file system.
  3. Find the following values in the command output.
    • Bytes Per Sector
    • Bytes Per Physical Sector
    The former refers to the logical sector size and the latter refers to the physical sector size.
    Use the following table to determine the type of drive that you have.
    Bytes Per Sector
    Bytes Per Physical Sector
    Drive type
    4096 4096 4Kn
    512 4096 512e
    512 512 512n

If your operating system is Windows 8 or newer, you can also run the following command from elevated command prompt to check the logical sector size and physical sector size of a hard drive:
fsutil fsinfo sectorinfo x:
where x: represents the drive that you're checking.
In the command output, find LogicalBytesPerSector and PhysicalBytesPerSectorForAtomicity. The former is the logical sector size and the latter is the physical sector size.
 
qqq said:
Can you please tell me if they both are similar & If I can use what is available in the market ?
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They are incredibly similar and you can certainly use a whole slew of drives (even ones that are far more dissimilar). Dell wants more that 2x for the drive because you wouldn't need to ask this sort of question from randos on the interwebs.

However, what some manufacturers are now doing is burning cryptographic signatures on their hardware that way if you try replacing parts that aren't produced by them... the parts will either not work (worst case) or show some kind of warning (safely ignored).

It boils down to be an effort to monetize assurance... and there is definitely something to that. If you're really worried, ask the person selling you the disk and make sure they'll accept a return on the product.
 
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Scataphagos said:
What makes a drive enterprise is that it's supposedly "made with better quality parts for heavy use and longer life".

I'm assuming you're going to keep using your current drive and add other(s)?... Your 5820 can run 6x HDD/SSD drives ... at 4TB each, that's 24TB... a lot of data.

You can use any HDD and/or SSD... The SSDs will be much faster for most functions but cost more, of course. My rec for SSD is Samsung EVO 870 and Crucial MX500.
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Scataphagos

Many Thanks.
How would I know what kind of packaging it would come in because from the photos everywhere it does not show details of Serial No, date of manufacture etc. & how would I know if it is genuine Toshiba or fake or a used one that is refurbished. Saw a lot of bad reviews of this particular drive on Amazon from people in Europe that they received either a fake or a refurbished to down right DOD & in totally rubbish packaging with no filler material to keep it tight in the box.

I am interested in knowing if it is genuine. How would I go about it ?

Thanks
 
qqq said:
Scataphagos

Many Thanks.
How would I know what kind of packaging it would come in because from the photos everywhere it does not show details of Serial No, date of manufacture etc. & how would I know if it is genuine Toshiba or fake or a used one that is refurbished. Saw a lot of bad reviews of this particular drive on Amazon from people in Europe that they received either a fake or a refurbished to down right DOD & in totally rubbish packaging with no filler material to keep it tight in the box.

I am interested in knowing if it is genuine. How would I go about it ?

Thanks
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1. I wouldn't know or how to tell whether genuine or fake.

2. You don't have to buy Toshiba brand... you can use any. I don't have any feel for spinner drives as haven't used one for more than 10 years.
 
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