Are there any other EW techs on ET?

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yes you got it right --- my keyboard against yours!!!!

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LOL ... you do realize that united we conquer (move markets), divided we fall (scalp markets). Yes? From my keyboard to yours LOL.
 
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Just a comment on the previous post.

With regard to financial markets, if it moves and has liquidity, it can be traded. Period.

My suggestion would be to also look for low transaction costs and the accurate and timely dissemination of data pertaining to the primary market variables.

Markets exist to facilitate transactions between willing parties, some of whom participate for the purpose of gain. Although it may appear to be so for some participants, markets are not designed to suck up "YOUR" money. lol.

Agree! I have set up an account with a deep discount broker. No sense in giving all your profits away in commission costs. And, I also understand that hedging, basket trading, etc. as well as speculation are common factors in the market place.

My basic premise is: once you know the trend in force you can profit from it. In other words, rarely short and uptrend and visa versa. Would you agree?
 
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I didn't say those years got 'mangled'. Back in those years the Wall St Journal published the 'theoretical' daily highs and lows. When EW 'worked' in the years I mentioned, there was this almost *precision*, (to the tick, using the dow theoretical #'s). There were truly amazing relationships on a daily, weekly basis that mathematically seemed as if Elliott and Fibonacci were alive and commanding the Dow)! I spent 1000's of hours researching and came up with some amazing stuff. Things that are not published anywhere).


The reason you *think* it's best to trade it on an intermediate/long term basis is because you're essentially admitting that your ability on a short term basis is poor. And whatever *ability* you think you might have to interpret EW on an intermediate/long term basis is most likely a combination of luck and other factors influencing your direction of where the market will go. In fact, I don't think ANY GOOD EW student/practitioner can read the market with certainty at this time. Also, btw, the Dow 'theoretical' figures ceased to be published in the paper years ago. Only actual H/L now. Yes, I can calculate my own and have done so, but like I said, it really does not work as it used to. I don't know why.


My honest opinion is that the current mkt environment has to wash out many, many traders in order for a lot of stocks/indexes to be 'tradable' again. Personally, I don't trade any indexes. At least not on a regular basis. My view is that everything out there is designed to suck up YOUR money.

Nowadays, in order to make a profit, one needs to think out of the box. I'll give you an idea...what if you could *design* your own index? What if you could have it perform, say 50% better than the market? What if you could design it without all the CHOP you get in most tradable garbage out there?
Well, such indexes DO exist and it's where quite a lot of money is being made. But these things have to be ''engineered'' to work correctly and fine-tuned daily to work as designed. But that's 1 of the reasons some hedge funds out there continue to outperform. They hire PhD's and quants to design, test and trade such advanced 'systems'. And, no, Elliott Wave does NOT work in those indices!


Risktaker,

Do you mean by theoretical #'s: when they took all 30 stocks and calculated the average based upon all their highs and all their lows, as if they occurred at the same time?

Actually, I've never tried to trade it on a short term basis, because I've always been involved in other business dealings. But, now I have the time, and the data, and have been monitoring the markets closely.
On an intermediate term basis, I use a momentum oscillator, that confirms the waves, and displays extensions to waves as they are unfolding. There's always some luck involved, but I'd say it's about 25% and 75% ability.
As for the Dow, I believe there has been a shift in market perception. Up until the 1980's the DOW had always been the driving force behind the market, and the most respected of the indices, even if it was only 30 NYSE stocks. With the advent of the SPX futures the tail wagging the dog syndrome appeared in the 1980's. Now, in this century, based upon my analysis of the DOW, SPX and the COMPX: the DOW is no longer the key index, and the SPX continues it's push often to unreadable extremes. But the COMPX is displaying beautiful, clear, and precise wave and momentum readings just like the DOW used to do. Clearly, in my opinion, the COMPX is the index of choice, and no not the NAZ 100 either. I feel, if you want to destroy the readable waves in a cash index, just create a futures index based upon it and you will have accomplished the task. We have DOW futures now!

Your designer funds make sense to me. I believe Legg Mason is a large proponent of that method. Their fund manager has outperformed the SPX for 14 or 15 years in a row now. And, they just swapped their retail business with Citibank for their mutual fund business. Now Legg is totally a mutual fund business!

Agree! EW can only be read from a pure cash index that is quoted and observed everyday. Not a designer fund, or even stocks for that matter.

tony
 
Quote from hypostomus:

EW? Electronic Warfare?
Quote from MacroEvent:

yes you got it right --- my keyboard against yours!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHA! :D
EW?
Might give us some opportunity to wring some dough out of Kalman & Co.
 
Right, the only meaninful numbers then, would only be available at the end of the day, since throughout the day, both of the theoretical high and low have a tendency to keep expanding (higher and lower at the same time). So that series of O/H/L/C was only useful at the end of the day and a decade or 2 ago, you'd normally get it from the next day's WSJ. It used to be at the bottom of page 3 in the "Money" section, below the Dow graph.

Quote from gharghur2:

Risktaker,

Do you mean by theoretical #'s: when they took all 30 stocks and calculated the average based upon all their highs and all their lows, as if they occurred at the same time?

tony
 
Quote from icarus618:

...Some useful concepts one can learn are, among other things: the existence of trends, fractals and trends, overlapping of trends, impulsive/corrective waves, looking at the markets using a holistic approach, volatility compressions leading to triangles, 3 legs as a basis of price movement. And I'm sure I'm failing to highlight some other good things.

Icarus

I looked into fractals, very interesting.
Didn't realize Brownian Motion, discovered in 1827, is the root of the EW. And, The first to give a theory of Brownian motion was Louis Bachelier in 1900 in his PhD thesis "The theory of speculation".
One dimensional chart of Brownian motion:
 

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